Ghost needs to be buffed, specifically for melees

HateDaddy·Mar 16, 2015·86 votes·3,412 views

If a melee uses ghost, for the first 6 seconds of its activation, slow effects are reduced by 75%, 40% for ranged champions.

Thoughts?

54 Comments

KING ATTILAMar 16, 201512 votes

I'd be fine with a bigger move speed increase

SaltyKrackaMar 16, 201510 votes

What, and actually buff a spell only used by 4 champions? One that's entirely countered by slows and cc?

Nah, too OP.

SaiannaMar 16, 201512 votes

it's used by minority cause it's lame. Once buffed = popularity increases

HateDaddyMar 16, 20158 votes

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What, and actually buff a spell only used by 4 champions? One that's entirely countered by slows and cc?

Nah, too OP.

I'm fine with hard CC countering it

But one slow equaling no more ghost is retarded and that's basically what it is. Maybe 75% reduction is too high, but some form of slow reduction is needed for the insane amount of slows out there. Actually no, 75% is fine.

SaltyKrackaMar 16, 20153 votes

Ashe will cri everytime though.

...course, any champion who would actually use Ghost getting near to Ashe is a sure recipe for making her cry, but whattaya gonna do

HateDaddyMar 16, 20154 votes

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Ashe will cri everytime though.

...course, any champion who would actually use Ghost getting near to Ashe is a sure recipe for making her cry, but whattaya gonna do

Ashe isn't even a champion anymore honestly

And yes 75% slow resistance sounds insane but think about every support who has utility scaling and massive slows + hard CC attached. As it stands, one slow cast from basically any support nullifies ghost, that shouldn't be a thing. There is a ton of powerful slows out there and the only real counter to them at this point is hyper mobility.

SaltyKrackaMar 16, 20152 votes

But what if you're a ghost-reliant melee with no hard CC and only a slow? Olaf Nasus

Dr RammusMar 16, 20158 votes

If it were to happen like this, I think 75 for a melle champ would be way to crazy, because if that happened Nasus can just run through your team (if they have slows) and kill the adc in one shot, I like the idea but the slow reduction that high is really insane Ok Rammus

Snow TaradienMar 16, 20155 votes

Combine Ghost and Cleanse. Give us Blitz, the new autolock spell instead of flash.

im s0 badMar 17, 20152 votes

Blitzcrank

AetherKingdomMar 16, 20154 votes

nerf nasus at the same time pls

HateDaddyMar 16, 201518 votes

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nerf nasus at the same time pls

AetherKingdomMar 16, 20153 votes

why am I playing? the nasus freelo will never be stopped

SkoonieMar 16, 20151 votes

You do realize there are ways to counter Nasus right? Champions that can kite or keep him off your backline like Ahri Nami , as well as champs with a lot of True Damage like Irelia Vayne . If you kill him a lot early on it's hard for him to get those epic stack numbers as well.

AetherKingdomMar 17, 20151 votes

"kill him a lot early on" What, 20 fucking times? And then he gets on item called frozen heart and his stacking increases exponentially while ignoring your harass and healing it all off.

SkoonieMar 18, 20151 votes

No, just enough to where he can't free farm early on. Make him feel unsafe to do so. If he tries to make up for it mid game, it's going to force his team into 4v5s, which you can capitalize on by taking as many objectives as possible.

HateDaddyMar 16, 20153 votes

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why am I playing? the nasus freelo will never be stopped

Making ghost have slow resistance isn't going to make Nasus immune to peel, there's still plenty of hard CC available in this game to easily keep him off carries. What's frustrating is one Janna slow completely negates my ghost.

ZephyrDrakeMar 16, 20153 votes

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Making ghost have slow resistance isn't going to make Nasus immune to peel, there's still plenty of hard CC available in this game to easily keep him off carries. What's frustrating is one Janna slow completely negates my ghost.

no one cares about hard CC, having such a huge slow resistance that lasts that long is incredibly stupid, unless you plan to have it's CD be longer than Flash's (about as long as Revive's was) then you should never put that much resistance/reduction/whatever in it

HateDaddyMar 17, 20152 votes

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no one cares about hard CC, having such a huge slow resistance that lasts that long is incredibly stupid, unless you plan to have it's CD be longer than Flash's (about as long as Revive's was) then you should never put that much resistance/reduction/whatever in it

What? So I'm just going to ignore those stuns, roots and displacements galore in this game because "nobody cares?" Slows are obnoxiously omnipresent in this game and Swifties are troll as fuck as a solution for them. There needs to be more counterplay to them, especially for a spell like ghost that literally gets ruined by one slow.

ZephyrDrakeMar 17, 20152 votes

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What? So I'm just going to ignore those stuns, roots and displacements galore in this game because "nobody cares?" Slows are obnoxiously omnipresent in this game and Swifties are troll as fuck as a solution for them. There needs to be more counterplay to them, especially for a spell like ghost that literally gets ruined by one slow.

making ghost literally ignore slows isn't "counterplay" you are just replacing one issue with another. your goal isn't to make ghost be better is to make it so broken that there would no reason not to pick it since you can just run towards the enemy backline and unless they waste their entire hard cc on you then you win and if they do waste all their hard cc then you win regardless. This literally will break champions all because "one slow ruins my ghost" then don't go into enemies faces with ghost on, use it to flank enemies, use it to get to objectives faster dont use thinking it's flash 0.7 and expect the same results

NahuiMar 17, 20154 votes

So what you really meant to say was "Buff Nasus because I think it's unfair that they can stop me from two shotting their carry."

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbMar 17, 20152 votes

Swiftness is remarkably useless in the face of slows.

DeusVultMar 16, 20157 votes

My army will bow to no man

Garen Hecarim Nasus Nautilus Olaf Quinn Rammus Rengar Singed Skarner Volibear Warwick XinZhao

ModWulf HelhammerMar 17, 20151 votes

dude, you take ghost on Quinn? That doesn't make much sense....

DreadlocksMar 17, 20151 votes

Meh summoner 4 + Volibear is 2stronk

junglerboy16Mar 17, 20151 votes

Her ult+ghost gives ludicrously fast roaming and chasing, and it is pretty useable on her.

SouL1essMar 16, 20152 votes

I rather have Ghost increase MS by an unmodifiable constant.

OneDragonArmyMar 17, 20152 votes

I just want them to restore it to 40% ms again, without having to buy Distortion. Seriously, moving a mastery point to a boots enchantment was one of the most troll things I have ever seen.

DarkR3voltMar 17, 20152 votes

I think a suitable buff would be for ghost to give you a really quick burst of speed at the start and then slow down slightly

SaiannaMar 16, 20151 votes

Allow ghost to pass trough terrain (xcept base walls) once every 10-20 seconds. That way they'll have a chance to deal with peek-a-boo mobility champions

PalPlaysMar 16, 20154 votes

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Allow ghost to pass trough terrain (xcept base walls) once every 10-20 seconds. That way they'll have a chance to deal with peek-a-boo mobility champions

No one would take flash EVER again. Bad idea.

SaiannaMar 16, 20151 votes

It's not like flash is a must-have..

Then how about it allows you to move trough a wall only once with -20% ms?

ZephyrDrakeMar 16, 20151 votes

ghost needs a buff yes... not a slow reduction that high that lasts that long. More MS or a very minor slow immunity should be more than enough

PalPlaysMar 16, 20151 votes

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ghost needs a buff yes... not a slow reduction that high that lasts that long. More MS or a very minor slow immunity should be more than enough

I would be happy with assists or kills reducing its cooldown.

VesarixxMar 16, 20151 votes

Probably better to make it an even reduction for both melee and ranged, or at least not that big of a difference, another possibility could be to have the move speed increase further for a few seconds after cc effects have ended.

Also are you talking about it being a % reduction to the duration of slows similar to tenacity or a % reduction in the effect of the slow similar to slow resist?

Jeddy017Mar 16, 20151 votes

I said this before,I believe after using Ghost,you should be immune to slows.Like MasterYi 's ult.

BobbyCarHaterXMar 16, 20151 votes

you want Hecarim to be permabanned?

SaltyKrackaMar 16, 20153 votes

Seeing as how he's already an OP toplaner...yes.

Poptart EvelynnMar 16, 20151 votes

I think that ghost should have less movespeed and have instead 75% reduced slows period.

youngjake93Mar 16, 20151 votes

I like buffing ghost. Idk if I like nerfing slows. Every time a champ with a dash or blink comes out, slows get a little bit less useful.

Zenba CatMar 16, 20151 votes

I agree because everyone takes flash every game for every role. Instead of nerfing flash like they used to, just buff everything else until its viable. I for one, like variety.

BârdMar 17, 20151 votes

not just summoner 6

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WutsKrakenMar 17, 20151 votes

75%? Udyr is very happy

AtaraxasMar 17, 20151 votes

Udyr We agree!

John BerserkMar 17, 20151 votes

What if the slow reduction % slowly decayed over the 10 second period? Maybe not to 0%, but to like, 25%, and about 13.3% for ranged champions (so by 2/3)?

Either way I like this. A buff to Ghost would give Melee tanks without some sort of guaranteed hard engage some way to force their way in. A sort of mini- Olaf ult, if you will.

Xela SyabMar 17, 20151 votes

I really think it needs a 60 second cd. it's got the same dang cd as flash and isn't as useful

VecuuMar 17, 20151 votes

Don't do it. I don't want to return to 5 Ghosts and 5 Flashes.

DeliothMar 17, 20151 votes

Better solution- Get swiftness boots and Zephyr/an elixir of Iron. Now slows are 25% less effective and last 35%/25% less. Oh, and you've got more move speed to get around anyways. If you take that CC reduction mastery and the Slow reduction mastery to add an additional 10%/15%.

Alternatively, use the fact that they have cooldowns to your advantage- go in a bit, just to scare them and blow slows. Back off, and when the slow wears off pop ghost and rush in. Combine with the above for amazing results. Works best from a flank.

I expect this can't appease you, as looking at the nasus discussion it seems like you simply want to be able to walk through the enemy team unhindered, but that's kinda the reason for there to be a front line and a back line- you've got to kill or invalidate the front to get to the back.

DreadlocksMar 17, 20151 votes

I thought it would be kinda cool to combine summoner 1 + summoner 6 at times. But yeah I like your idea too :)

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbMar 17, 20151 votes

Personally, I don't think you should give ranged anything on this. Honestly, Triforce shouldn't give ms on hit to ranged champs. The number seems a bit high, but I agree that ghost should have slow resistance to at least make it a competitive pick with flash instead of a niche pick. This would also be really good for the champs that use it, since their main problem is getting kited.