Like with every assassin in existence even pre reworks, I felt like there was something I could do. Like roam or at least play safely occasionally. But like fuck dude. Zed is so anti fun. Exhaust is the only thing to use against him until you buy zhonyas which is probably the shittiest item next to ohmwrecker. So its like guess ill die now [sg-soraka]
Okuma25 votesDid he just call Zhonyas the shittiest item next to ohmwrecker?
Succubús GF9 votesYes. SHE did, because it barely gives an ap and the passives cd is really long. More satirical but its still shit
Did he just call Zhonyas the shittiest item next to ohmwrecker?
Okuma8 votes70 AP
45 armor
10% cdr
+ Unique active
It's not bad at all imo. Class starting, gotta go [katarina-love]
Succubús GF6 votesAbout the lowest mid lane ap item in the game The armor is decent CDR is handed out like candy The active cd is alarmingly high
DuskDaUmbreon3 votes2 minutes for 2.5s of complete invulnerability, not too bad.
Armor is the highest of any for squishy defensive items.
CDR is still actually not that easy to go over on on a midlane mage.
Low AP isn't necessarily bad, since it's a defensive item.
The Bad Touch4 votes2 minutes for 2.5s of complete invulnerability, not too bad.
Armor is the highest of any for squishy defensive items.
CDR is still actually not that easy to go over on on a midlane mage.
Low AP isn't necessarily bad, since it's a defensive item.
Except you can't build it and still have mana to deal with him just pushing lane for zero mana. By the time you can build it he's killed you once and gotten a double bot + bot tower.
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesZed creating a shit situation where you have to rush both Zhonya's and morello, or Zhonya's not giving mana, doesn't mean that it's not a godly powerful item. It means that it doesn't have every stat, and that Zed creates a shit situation.
The item is not bad. It's one of the strongest items in League, and one that everyone but a tank and juggernaut would love to have.
TheMoralSupport17 votes
Yay healthy gameplay
x Wyvern x8 votesI prefer a zed way more than any of these two aids champs 
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesLB's not too bad to fight as long as you have CC, but Talon's just pure, absolute cancer. I'd be banning him every game if 
and 
didn't exist.
ThePikol7 votes ????
Knoyle7 votes You 
sure 
about that?
Malicious Metal7 votesReally?
Zed?
The ONE assassin who needs skill to really pull off.
The assassin who has the most counters.
The assassin that can't just blow his entire load on your ass?
Okay.
This is enough gameplay boards for today.
Zero Skill Tank1 votesRight, because players outside gameplay boards do not hate Zed. He clearly reached Kassadin-level ban ratio because he was as strong as old Kassadin, not because everybody got tired of even looking at his face. [slayer-jinx-wink]
Unreformed Shaco6 votesCause he is the only Assassin along with Talon, who is in a decent spot. The rest of them are garbage tier and take so much extra effort to compete. Of course its going to be fun facing off against ineffective enemies.
Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votesKat's pre-good. Just not LCS viable for obvious reasons.
THE RlVER KlNG12 votesKat and Talon are like the highest rated mid laners on op.gg aside from karthus if I recall correctly. Fizz is still meta and so is LB. Kha and Rengar shifted out of favor with the tank meta we have in the jungle now. Shaco is pretty bad I'll give you that, Akali is stupidly frustrating to play versus, Eve is out and still being tested out.
Penns3 votesHe said assassin tho, not Fizz and LB hehe
An Enemy Sutando6 voteszhonyas which is probably the shittiest item next to ohmwrecker
KEK.
DuskDaUmbreon6 votesZhonya's is a shit item? The second-shittiest?
Dude. That's not even right. Zhonya's is a top-tier item. Marksmen have been begging for years for a Zhonya's equivalent, and the closest we got was GA, which has the shittiest stats of any complete item, and the longest cooldown in the game (tied with 
, 
, and 
and 
's passives). Saying Zhonya's is a shit item is just...wrong.
And there are far worse assassins to fight. Zed at least has the shitty counterplay of 
and 
. doesn't even have that. Talon just bursts everything without the slightest care in the world. Marksman? You're dead. Support? You're dead. Mage? Dead. 
with 6 armor items in the middle of your ult? Dead. And then you can't fucking catch him no matter who you are, since he gets away faster than an 
with 
and 
running along a Kled and Sivir ultimate.
GGLineaR2 votesSaying Zhonya's is a shit item is just...wrong.
You don't play mages much do you? The only thing most people even buy it for is the armor.
The active is situational at best, and more often than not just puts you in a bad position.
The only people who it is actually good on are 
and 
because your cooldowns are so short you can get yourself out of danger the moment the active ends.
Ecept Heimerdinger and Fiddlesticks. They just use it to let their turrets kill assassins that jumped in, and to maximize the damage on crowstorm on a clumped team without risking your life first.
Just because it's a must buy on SOME people, doesn't mean it's still not a shit item. GA is the same situation, but you acted like it's not still a must buy on people like Aatrox or Riven, because they can still get out after it procs. They're both shit, but they are still good on some people.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votes...I think you highly underestimate the value of stasis. Of the ability to instantly say "fuck you" to any incoming damage.
It's a must-buy on some champions, and amazing on most mages. It's not "only good on champions who have short cool downs", it's good on anyone who's relatively immobile and vulnerable to being jumped on (hence why most marksmen would love to have it as an AD item).
You don't play mages much do you? The only thing most people even buy it for is the armor.
I've been primarily top and bot recently, but, yes. I do play mages frequently. And it's great on quite a lot of them. Just not many of the ones I play (Ahri, Karthus, Morgana), given that they either have the durability to render the active relatively pointless, or the active would harm them more often than it helps.
The active is situational at best, and more often than not just puts you in a bad position.
Situational? Somewhat. Does it put you in a bad position? It can if you misread your team, or misuse it. But generally it won't put you in a worse position than you were in before - it just leaves you in the same shitty position.
GGLineaR3 votesAgree to disagree then, I think it's shit. Because the situation it's used for is rare, and can usually be avoided or prevented.
I'd never buy it unless I was fighting or 
and MAYBE . And even then I'd pick someone who had a better chance of winning lane, and I always ban one of them if I'm headed mid.
is always a good pick against a burst champ, and hes cancer, so that's a plus.
Maybe it's just preference then, but everyone I talk to in League, or disc think the same thing.
Zhonyas and GA suck, but GA sucks slightly less. VERY slightly less. And only because AD itemization is so much better than (and cheaper than) AP.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesI guess we'll just have to disagree.
I do seriously disagree with GA being better than Zhonya's (Zhonya's has decent stats even when on CD (AP is a bit low, but armor and CDR are pretty good), GA's only worthwhile when it's ready).
I honestly think that Zhonya's would have fit better as a marksman item than a mage item. It's only really useful if you're immobile (a lot of mages have good bursts of speed and/or mobility, while most ADCs are fairly immobile) and are exceptionally vulnerable to someone diving on your face (Mages tend to be longer range overall and have self-peel and/or CC, marksmen...not so much). Maybe Protobelt could be made into a better defensive item for mages, or they could get a different item altogether?
GGLineaR1 votesBeats the hell out of me. Just give mages more than 1 viable build, please.
More ap itemization options PLEASE.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesI'd like for every class to have multiple paths. Right now, the highest number of variances is 2, with marksmen and mages (BorK>Zeal or Zeal>IE for marksmen, Morello into whatever or RoA (with an optional tear) for mages) (This is assuming you split up obvious things, such as AP assassins and AD ones, or tank and enchanter supports). And that's just not enough for anyone.
Frontline Fury5 votesSure, Zed is unfun. But the ONLY unfun assassin? and beg to differ. BONUS: So does 
Succubús GF3 votesWell to be fair I don't play against talon enough and hes pretty telegraphed. Lb, is kinda shit now and I play her enough to know what she does
Daunt5 votesMostly cause he has the best laning phase out of all assassins excluding LB cause she's ranged. He can safely farm since his Q is on a 6s CD on level 1. You can't punish him for taking cs since he can q them, you can't shove the wave in cause he has his passive. Also has almost an artillery mage range potential with his WQ so he can even poke.
His burst was untouched in the assassin roster rework so now he has his wonderful EWQ + AA combo that's not that hard to pull off while being able to literally one shot you when he gets duskblade.
And the most stupid thing of all is the untargetability on his R. And "buy zhonyas" is not a valid argument. Do you think it's worth wasting 2900 gold that early in the game for a pretty shit item?
Kloqdq5 votesCompared to other assassins I'd fight a Zed. Right now, he isn't as overbearing as I've seen him be in the past.
Handy Sandy 4 votesIma have to disagree. He can outplay you and you can outplay him. If he lands his ult but misses his Q's, he can't kill you. If you dodge enough of his poke, he can't kill you once he's level 6. Like any assassin, when he's ahead he's oppressive and when he's behind he can't do much. Since he's skillshot reliant, he's way more fair than a lot of other assassins.
Daunt3 votesHaving skill shots =/= fair champion.
Handy Sandy 1 votesHaving skill shots =/= fair champion.
Skillshots alone don't make a fair champion of course, but in Zed's case his skillshots do. If you have the skill to dodge his Q's after his ult, you survive and could kill him. If you don't, I think it's fair that he was able to hit them and you deserve to die for that. It's like Ahri or Lux who are extremely fair champions who may just be a little underpowered atm. If you get hit with their cc = you deserve to die.
Kaìju1 votesPlay Aurelion Sol into Zed and see how much fun you have.
Handy Sandy 1 votesPlay Aurelion Sol into Zed and see how much fun you have.
I've actually been spamming Asol in norms for a week or so and ran into this matchup. Wasn't too difficult, but I felt it when I got outplayed and when I outplayed him.
Anyways, Since when is Asol vs Assassins 
(Yes ik, Diver.)
ever fun? You picked the worst champion to go against Zed.
Meep Man4 votesWhat's so bad about Zhonya's? It's probably one of the most powerful items situationally in the game. All burst damage that isn't flat out instant is negated.
Besides, come Preseason, Stopwatch will be a 600 gold counter to Zed.
Tik1153 votesVery low AP compared to other AP items Negligible Armour The active loses out to Zed with CDR or if he's at least level 11 Means the mage has mana issues for longer if they rush it
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesAnd it's still a top-tier item, because that active means that it could give 2 hp/5s as its only stat and it'd still be strong.
Snowplosion4 votesFunny enough I like playing against Zed because he is the one assassin I have multiple chances to get away from. Missing one ability screws up the combo. Missing two basically kills it. Meanwhile Talon just walks out from stealth and instantly deletes something.
Stars Shaper3 votesI actually feel more helpless against Talon.
It's like every attempt I do at playing the game gets punished 3 times each.
Sanghelios3 votesExhaust is the only thing to use against him
only assassin that is unfun to play against
zhonyas which is probably the shittiest item next to ohmwrecker.
Except it negates Zed's all-in potential completely.
I felt like there was something I could do.
Or just pick Akali/Diana and afk in lane.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesDude.
Diana, Vayne, and Yasuo aren't assassins...
Yasuo is actually nowhere close to an assassin. He has to DPS you.
aqours fanboy3 votesMost balanced assassin in the game. If he hits it all he kills, if he can, he messed up and you kill.
The Bad Touch1 votes[{quoted}](name=We Love Heresy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aRQ2EJeH,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2017-10-18T16:08:29.656+0000)
Most balanced assassin in the game. If he hits it all he kills, if he can, he messed up and you kill.
The issue is "hitting it all" just means he's a mid silver with 50+ games as Zed. There is no dodging his combo from point blank range on the vast majority of mid laners without Zhonya's. As it's been said Zhonya's cripples APs that are forced to rush it before 2nd or 3rd item.
It's not "play/counterplay" it's simply "Are you a trained monkey? If not you can land his combo and the other guy if he isn't Fizz/Leblanc can't dodge it."
If Zed had a setup mechanic before he could all in he would be balanced
My issue is his scaling.
Razor Shuriken TARGET RANGE: 900 COOLDOWN: 6 PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 70 / 105 / 140 / 175 / 210 (+ 90% bonus AD) ADDITIONAL DAMAGE:» 52.5 / 78.75 / 105 / 131.25 / 157.5 (+ 67.5% bonus AD)
Name me another champ with 367.5 base damage + 157.5% bonus AD on a manaless 900 range Q.
We aren't even going to talk about his 10% max health damage on auto's below 50% or his massively overloaded R.
Superspick3 votesI just combine Seeker's and Lost Chapter and win. You "beat" Zed in lane by not letting him snowball since he's practically worthless in team play/fights.
Pretty free unless you wander into and get hit by his full shadow combo, several times no less, in lane.
Red Wreckage1 votesi think u meant this shit 
Succubús GF2 votesHmm. I don't generally have an issue with annie unless I get counterpicked or she has 20 kills
takes that spot.