Kka being completely reliant on Isolation is a terrible idea.

Poptart Evelynn·Mar 27, 2015·39 votes·3,135 views

I can't even enjoy Kha anymore with the shift of the meta. It's near god impossible to get isolation with tanks.

Rip kha 2015.

39 Comments

DreadlocksMar 27, 201518 votes

I don't think the idea of him being reliant on isolation is bad.. I think the Area of space needed between the 2 champs is too high now.. When they nerfed him they went HARD. They took away the %hp.. the range got increased, minions and turrets count now too...

If they made the AoE smaller I think it could help quite a bit.

A Superb VillainMar 27, 201510 votes

I remember that day; still have footage of the balance changes.

http://staging.itibitiventuresi.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/09/Stomp-GIF.gif

76SummersMar 27, 20152 votes

gg peacock op

NarasimhaMar 27, 20152 votes

I actually have no idea, what show/game is this from?

A Superb VillainMar 27, 20152 votes

Skullgirls; nice game, interesting art style, gorgeous music.

JevelFaithfulMar 28, 20152 votes

+1 for skullgirls.

A Superb VillainMar 28, 20152 votes

"Quiet on the set! Action!"

junglerboy16Mar 28, 20151 votes

Turrets counting for Isolation is understandable, but minions? That was just dumb. His leap deals almost no damage, his W deals almost no damage, and his Q deals ALL the damage, except when there is someone around. They need to take away a bit of Q's damage, reduce the isolation range, and maybe let his W proc passive again or buff his leaps damage.

LXIIMar 27, 20158 votes

My only gripe is that minions count as "nearby allies"

OelykMar 27, 20154 votes

They have the isolation range of a peanut though.

PhoneixflareMar 27, 20155 votes

I think you are really underestimating the amount of damage he does when isolation occurs. He fits into pick comps really well where you get one person ISOLATED from their whole team and snowball the fight from there. He's really good at that. he's got evasion in the form of invis, a MASSIVE RESETTING GAPCLOSER and an AOE POKE HEAL that outranges turrets for sieging...sorry but Kha is just fine in the toplane. ganking for a kha is so easy after he hits 6 because his damage is absurd. like I dont think you understand lmao

KapppaccinoMar 27, 20153 votes

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I think you are really underestimating the amount of damage he does when isolation occurs. He fits into pick comps really well where you get one person ISOLATED from their whole team and snowball the fight from there. He's really good at that. he's got evasion in the form of invis, a MASSIVE RESETTING GAPCLOSER and an AOE POKE HEAL that outranges turrets for sieging...sorry but Kha is just fine in the toplane. ganking for a kha is so easy after he hits 6 because his damage is absurd. like I dont think you understand lmao

No. You don't understand. Khazix is garbage compared to how he was back then. They nerfed him to hell. It made him barely average. Now that everyone else Is getting buffs, it leaves him even further behind. The only time you would pick khazix now is if you wanna be a useless jungler with no map pressure.

SpongeDudeMar 27, 20153 votes

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No. You don't understand. Khazix is garbage compared to how he was back then. They nerfed him to hell. It made him barely average. Now that everyone else Is getting buffs, it leaves him even further behind. The only time you would pick khazix now is if you wanna be a useless jungler with no map pressure.

yeah I stopped playing kha before his last chain nerfs. Probably the 7th nerf I stopped playing him ( i can't count how many nerfs he got and I dont even want to know , i'll just get pissed) , when I saw the last one on PBE I just quitted playing with him as many others did. And then they release his new Skin because... riot's logic and greediness. Don't even get me started on the RP price increase, as if it's a fucking resource we buy anyway. His last nerf, they increased the W cooldown because people would evolve/max W first, because Q doesn't do anything anymore in a TF. I just ragequitted and after that nerf ( explaining how Kha is meant to be played because players started to play him in a different way , utility style) , and after that I learned something. Riot's balance team is TRASH. It's a disease to the game. Why won't they buff Lee Sin some more?

OelykMar 27, 20153 votes

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No. You don't understand. Khazix is garbage compared to how he was back then. They nerfed him to hell. It made him barely average. Now that everyone else Is getting buffs, it leaves him even further behind. The only time you would pick khazix now is if you wanna be a useless jungler with no map pressure.

PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! Have you even TRIED to play kha? he's really fun and has specific strengths that if used correctly he's easily the most versatile assassin in the game, and the longest free jump too!

KapppaccinoMar 28, 20151 votes

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PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! Have you even TRIED to play kha? he's really fun and has specific strengths that if used correctly he's easily the most versatile assassin in the game, and the longest free jump too!

Still super weak compared to every other jungler. I have played him. He's my baby. That's why Im so harsh on him. Just want my boy to grow up properly

JJ H0GMar 28, 20151 votes

I find kha extremely easy to rekt kids with. I usually get matched with gold/silver players right now, so I honestly don't think he's in too bad of a spot. They could buff his R and/or W a bit, but otherwise I think he's fine.

PhoneixflareApr 2, 20151 votes

perhaps he isn't as strong as he used to be in the jungle...but one role does not define a champion. I liked playing him top and mid before.

PhoneixflareApr 2, 20151 votes

I never said he wasn't garbage to what he was compared to back then. Back then he was freelo midlane pick where you maxed w. I played it. I know. but he's not as awful as you make him out to be. just because he got nerfed from OP as crap to where he is right now doesnt mean he's bad. you just have to play him correctly around his kit's functionality. You are still an assassin and still need kills to snowball into late. Abuse his passive bonus damage with the brushes. Force an opponent away from minions to ensure isolated q idk how many fb's i got because of how absurd his damage can be at level 1 when you zone properly and trade properly with your passive procs.

OelykMar 27, 20151 votes

Maybe a tad over exaggerated, but people think of kha as a single champion, not what he does for his team, not what the team does for him. this is the problem with complaints, there are so many factors! and personally if your trying to get isolation, you'd be dam stupid to go in by yourself. but kha is in a good area right now, and giving him more ways to access that massive power (with like 300 ad you can nuke a carry 2/3 health pretty easily.)

MatezoideMar 27, 20155 votes

The problem when they nerfed Kha into mediocrity is that they fucked the range /and/ the damage of his isolation.

He needed a nerf to one or the other, not both.

A Superb VillainMar 27, 20153 votes

Removing the 50% damage reduction on his evolved ultimate was a reasonable call, but everything after was just absurd. I find it amusing they nerfed Kha's Q damage for bringing too much burst despite front-loading all of his damage on that ability, then when players began leveling W first for poke damage, you know, adapting to the changes, they nerfed that too.

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OyddAWqJ5rMar 27, 20153 votes

They needa reduce the isolation range and then they needa give him something to make him stronger than other champs when someone is isolated. Right now his burst is weakest and is executed the slowest among all assassin type champions, not to mention it costs mana and is melee AND requires isolation.

Whereas this Leblanc is allowed to bypass all aforementioned weaknesses, not that that's a problem since a few others do too but if that's the assassin standard then all assassins should be brought to it.

I'm not saying make him even more isolation based, I'm just saying he should EXCEL at isolation based assassinations far more than any other assassin who has it as an option and not a requirement like he does.

Proposal: Bonus movespeed towards Isolated targets/Bonus movespeed towards Isolated targets while unseen.

Also Evolved Ult should add a new effect to his passive that inflicts reduced sight range on the target and makes all Q's apply the isolation bonus for the duration.

Khazix "Taste their fear."

All suggestions ofcourse.

JJ H0GMar 28, 20151 votes

He does need something from evolving his R other than a pimp'd exoskeleton for more spookin'. You could possibly add a small MR shred to his AAs after coming out of stealth that would help to increase his passive damage late game. Other than that I have no original ideas.

OyddAWqJ5rMar 28, 20151 votes

Nah it's a good suggestion for discussion purposes. Honestly I'd like to see the return of mid-flight W casts but have them only be able to be done in a short timeframe upon leaping and landing instead of the whole thing. Would majorly help him put out his burst combo.

On-hit MR shred? Idk man. But I feel like that passive has room to be stronger than it currently is and that's definitely one way you could go about it.

CataclysmCrashMar 28, 20152 votes

Khazix being reliant on isolation is the fucking point of Khazix.

Riot just went full retard and fucked with his kit before finally hitting isolation range. They should have started with an isolation nerf and then balance from there.

XeroKimoMar 27, 20151 votes

You know what I wished they'd do. If you evolve Q, the original isolation damage becomes the base damage, and the actual evolved q bonus isolation damage stays normal, at least he'll be able to assassinate someone during team fights that way like most assassins can do atm... with risks

Lore VentusMar 28, 20151 votes

I say just buff the healing aspect of his w. Seeing how the cat has a better verison. Rengar

DragonflightMar 28, 20151 votes

good

DengedenMar 28, 20151 votes

The buffs to jungle EXP were pretty good for him. Oddone commented that he really needed levels to do anything with him. The incoming nerfs to Cinderhulk will help him too.

OperationDEEZ1Mar 28, 20151 votes

RIP Ha ha ha just kidding.

FlashnFuseMar 28, 20151 votes

make his W hit on enemies give a graves smokescreen/nocturne ultimate style "blind" for .75 seconds(1.25seconds when evolved). When the champion is blinded in such a fashion, they become isolated because they can't see any friendly targets.

That would give kha'zix more kit synergy and more ability to do something in late game teamfights without changing him too much.

MemejerdomoMar 28, 20151 votes

It's just the Meta. This meta is seeing assassins fall out of favor. Not all that much to do about it, until all of the tanks have been nerfed and squishy hypercarries become standard.

TonyTonyMordecaiMar 28, 20151 votes

Is it bad that I want to try him, only to be pushed away of wanting to try him because of threads like this? (nothing against the thread)

Maple CrusaderMar 28, 20151 votes

A big problem with K'Z's current kit is his numbers. Perhaps rework his passive so that he is not reliant on isolation?

H0riz0n234Mar 29, 20151 votes

R.I.P Kha zix you will me missed ;( Tears

BeerOfRoot4843Mar 29, 20151 votes

A champion that lurks in the bushes and hunts poor bastards all on their lonesome sounds amazing to me. Too bad it sucks.

SchteltzerMar 29, 20151 votes

and when he gets buffed everyone will cry for nerfs again.no thank you. i like him the way he is, can still clean up fights as an assassin with resets and has strong burst with isolation

Variks the LoyalMar 29, 20151 votes

They should make a way to force isolation then.

My suggestion, replace Evolve Spike Racks with Evolve Void Venom.

Kha's Void Spikes will envenom the target struck with a psychotic toxin, making them feel alone and afraid. They're considered isolated to Kha'Zix, and he deals slightly increased damage to him.

MartynxasMar 29, 20151 votes

In my opinion his weaknesess ofset his strenght, he's relies on isolation way way too much i think this should not be the case. He should moderate dmg in normal condition and high in isolation not super low to super high. As it now bot is pretty much ungankable because without isolation you pretty much tickle, so my idea would we to increase q dmg in normal condition and decrease in isolation.