People who want to remove crit...

Lmao that means you should donate to the church of RNGesus you must increase your faith!

But seriously, imagine this game without any rng... everything could be calculated and estimated. You would know who wins before a game starts!

{quoted} I saw a clip of a Zed vs Zed matchup, where one Zed was landing everything perfectly while the other was messing up left and right. This was at level three or so, and naturally the one that was playing better was winning... Right up until the last hit, where the worse player got a crit from his 1% crit chance runes and won.

It's things like this that make people want crit removed. If you're not building armor, you're not building armor and expect to be shredded.

Zed vs Zed, sounds like you're complaining about norms bro... Srry but most people shouldn't cry a river over normal games.

{quoted} I personally think another problem, as an unranked scrub, is that there is very little in the way of item diversity for carries. What do you tend to get on pretty much every ranged AD Carry, barring Ezreal and Corki mostly? Infinity Edge; Statikk Shiv/Phantom Dancer;Last Whisper; Youmuu's/BorK/Bloodthirster;defensive item + boots of whatever kind. It's standard.

Then we look at DotA and see that, say, Morphling, Weaver and Medusa (all carries) could rush Linken's Sphere and then their builds all brachiate from there. Weaver could go for Desolator next, Morphling could go for Ethereal Blade for the Shotgun Build next, Dusa can go for Manta Style or Maelstrom next, and so on. And that's just them. Then there's carries like Naga Siren who rush Radiance then maybe Manta, Diffusal Blade, Heart of Terrasque, and so on.

For every carry in DotA they may cross over in builds to someone else, but they don't all need a certain build to keep up with another carry. Morphling doesn't need Daedalus, and Ember Spirit doesn't need Manta Style or Radiance. There's very little item diversity here, and I'm quite convinced that's why this game, at this point, is so hard to balance. All these carries whose build paths you can clearly see wanting to branch out have to share the same restricted item pool with another carry who may use the limited selection simply better until that carry is nerfed and cycle goes on. You could see this when S3 implemented Tiamat's new functionality and Ravenous Hydra - and you could see people using them immediately because it offered such wonderful synergy with their kits. Then there's items like Runaan's that scream for more synergistic items to complement it. Maybe some ranged-only on-hit effects. It could even give Kog'maw a new build path in addition to Teemo that values attack speed over raw damage and crits. Oh, and uh, they could help out Runaan's if they were going to do that.

But that's just my opinion. In addition to mobility creep, I feel a lack of item variety is certainly a problem.

Okay, you bring up a GREAT point! but you never seemed to have mention that crit is bad for the game. So yes on the point you bring up, we need at least 3 / 4 new items just for ADC's because of the item diversity atm is fairly lacking. Couldn't have said it better.

But dont think that because there is a lack of item for ADC's removing crit will make them better... That would make the item diversity far less!

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aNpmxHE5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2014-12-13T02:25:19.554+0000) So they are actually smart enough to see that there´s no way to "tank" a snowballing Fiora to death anyway...

lmao, you can still build tanky and not feed a fiora... its actually one way of stopping her snowballing.

IE.) you've got a chain vest now and fiora dives you under a tower with 50% hp... you're more likely to withstand her ult than you were before because of the 20% more damage reduction you just bought! If you didnt have that then you're most likely going to die because you kept building for ur tiamat.

{quoted} No one can deny that RNG is just unhealthy for a game. When fights become a matter of who crits more, games can sometimes be as random as flipping a coin

you're wrong, i deny it. I think its healthy and creates unique situations / scenarios that you have to adapt to at that very moment. Both sides can get crit and both have an equal chance of being lucky so whats the problem?

The problem is Most of the people on these boards think they're robots and will do everything perfect as if we're all scripted with a simple algebra equation.

{quoted} No one can deny

A lot of people can and will deny this. If you think that winning a fight is entirely determined by crit chance then you have a lot to learn about this game. Crit is not an unhealthy stat for the game.

[{quoted}](name=Zen Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aNpmxHE5,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2014-12-13T06:56:54.407+0000) Then why can't I get a crit chance for doubling my stun, heals, or shields as support? I cast a clutch heal and suddenly heal for 600 instead of 300, winding up in my ADC getting a double kill. Would that be frustrating? Or how about I throw out a Morgana bind that last for 6 seconds instead of 3. Wouldn't that be just a tad annoying?

But it's okay to watch your teammate or your team lose an engage just because, by pure shit luck, an ADC managed to crit three times in a row. Yeah, that's lots of fun. Especially when said ADC thinks he's an LCS pro as a result.

I dont think you're able to quite grasp the concept of player enhancing situations, lmao. You're spells have the ability to easily one shot most ADC's but most ADC's have to attack more than 10 times to get kills. You have to understand how to math AP and AD the relevant costs and effects of each system.

Crit has been in any pvp / pve game in the world its never been complained about to this extent ever before.

what if they must reduced the boost from IE to make it not as required as it is?

Then you understand the importance of counter building people when they go full glass cannon, right?