To the point in which they have not been cleared until 15 minutes into the game.
If I'm playing 
jungle then I am not going to touch the raptors. This holds true for a lot of junglers.
I am sure this is not what Riot wanted the raptors to come down to.
WoonStruck2 votesI don't.
Kill the smalls first and you take hardly any damage. Even on single target champions.
All you have to do is kite around in between your auto-attack timer and CDs.
Marshbouy1 votesSend me a video of you clearing raptors with 
please
WoonStruck1 votesFid is the only one out of all of those that even comes close to having issues with raptors first clear.
Marshbouy1 votesPlease. Show me the videos of people easily clearing with single target based junglers.
WoonStruck1 votesGo watch some nightblue, stonewall, or pretty much any other diamond 3+ jungler.
Plenty of Nunu, Trundle, Shaco, Tryn, Voli, Jax, WW, all of whom can effectively be considered single target junglers and clear fine.
Even Fizz can make it through a full clear atm, and he's probably the worst among single target junglers as far as clear speed and clear health early.
Marshbouy1 votesTrundle-Stonewall skips the Raptors Kha'Zix-took half his health in damage. Master Yi-took over 60% of his health in damage. https://youtu.be/RE0MgUrv2XY?t=9m1s Warwick-Skips the raptors-https://youtu.be/RE0MgUrv2XY?t=16m14s
WoonStruck1 votesWarwick and Trundle skip raptors because of clear speed and not needing them for level 4. They can both easily take them without losing too much health. You literally just kite between your attack timer.
Any jungler without a shield takes a decent amount of damage from Raptors. It doesn't mean you can't easily clear them and still end up near full HP by the end of your clear. Properly utilizing the heal on smite (getting a smiteless leash) goes a long way.
Stonewall doesn't get a leash in those clears. You can easily get a leash in most games, invalidating the time you'd spend on raptors and improving your clear health. There's no reason not to take raptors if you get a leash.
Marshbouy1 votesThat's complete BS. They skip the clears because they are nearly impossible to do without losing a large amount of health. Kiting between your attack timer does not work on a melee champion that is surrounded by 5 enemies.
False. Junglers with AOEs in their kit have no issue with clearing raptors.
If you take 200 damage from clearing raptors, a leash at red is not going to change that.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If it's as easy as you are making it seem, go into the jungle, take a replay, and have me see it.
WoonStruck1 votesHow are you getting surrounded? You start with the one closest to the brush leading to mid lane, directly north/south of the big raptor.
Auto, skill (most have an auto reset), auto, kite around them, trying to auto at your timer and when they are in a line, rather than balled. Kill them one by one while kiting in circles.
You should at no point be surrounded. You aren't kiting if you end up surrounded.
Junglers with minor AoE (Tryn, Fizz, etc) have just about as 'hard' of a time with raptors as the solely single target champions. Its the same deal in either case. Kite around, timing base on CDs/auto timer to kill the small ones FIRST one by one.
What champion do you want me to do it with?
Marshbouy1 votesany of the champions i listed.
WoonStruck1 votesJust finished 4:05 on Tryn, full clear, not a single potion used. I've never played him before.
No lifesteal runes, either. 18/0/12 masteries.
Lemme get a recording now.
Marshbouy1 votesI eagerly await this replay. Can you do it with trundle too if possible?
WoonStruck1 votesYeah, lucky I have enough IP for him lol.
Any idea on how to get Replay HUD to work right on Overwolf?
Marshbouy1 votesi have no idea. I have never messed with replay systems.
ForFoxSakes1 votesWhat jg item are you starting with on each of those? Whats your jungle path?
With trundle why are u getting warriors?!?! Get bloodrazor for faster clears and better duelling. Warriors more for AD casters, bloodrazor for auto attackers
And a triforce? WTF, no. Not on trundle
Marshbouy1 votesTeach me trundle then. Tell me the optimal jungle start, build, and path. If you want to at least.
ForFoxSakes1 votesThe only damage items you'd want on trundle is 1-3 of 
then the rest tank. Build depends on enemy comp and what your team needs. He isnt a heavy damage carry or backline diver but adds a lot of utility and tankiness to split push
Jungle item cinderhulk or bloodrazor. Cinderhulk in most cases, along with Tiamat will make your clears very fast
He's slow in jungle so you should rush for 
but dont complete it to or right away since the cost to complete is quite high for the benefit you get. Get before your jungle item to give a good damage boost for skirmishes, ganks and camp clearing early.
Open with 
. Upgrading to 
can be beneficial especially if you give buffs to laners, but with HP regen and 2nd level jungle item you should have more than enough sustain. I'd start Blue Buff, Gromp, Wolves, Red, Krug, then Raptors if the lanes dont need attention.
*Wolves - keep moving so all the wolves arent hitting you. They get in each other's way so only 1-2 should be able to hit you at a time
*Raptors - if you're low go to the river and machete hit lifesteal off the scuttle to heal up. Honeyplant may be there to heal you up as well so you dont need to go back before your first clear. Keep moving and kiting the same as you would with wolves so at most only half the raptors are hitting you. Red buff helps you kite these guys pretty easily. Can use your ward charges to help give vision for a lane as well here if they havent been used already
Your role isnt to be some ganker that comes to kill everyone. You're there to make the enemy overstay with pillar & slows when they want to leave, and overstaying means they die. AKA your laners need to be decent since you arent the big damage dealer carry on the team. Or if your side needs help you use your abilities to peel enemies off your team. His splitpushing power got nerfed with chomp doesnt work on towers anymore
tk;dr is way better top and a weak jungle. If you like his playstyle jg just go 
Marshbouy1 voteshmm. I'll take what you say into my next games with him. I've been playing trundle off and on for almost a year and a half.
If you think my trinity build was stupid, you should have seen my old full AD trundle build in bot games before i Graduated to normals. Looked something like this-> 
ForFoxSakes1 votesYa bots you can do whatever since you almost always outlevel them and they'll run more than they fight. if people saw you build like that on Trundle with few escapes they'll just CC and nuke you before you do much
WoonStruck1 votesAdded in-game. I'll try streaming on Twitch; if that doesn't work, just spectate. It'll be clunkier, but should suffice.
Marshbouy1 votesRight now relatives are coming over, so it will have to be later.
WoonStruck1 votesAlright, just accept and lemme know when a good time is.
vOmvbrawfU1 votesI don't have much trouble clearing them with Fid. I mean, I clear them and I get lowish on HP...but it doesn't matter because it's time to back and get upgraded jg item and boots anyway.
L0ve Is Blue1 votesI like to skip them too if I'm not playing Shyvana. And I'll have to in the next patch since her clear is getting nerfed...
Catastrop1 votesI once tried to do Raptor camp as mid game 
to get some farm, I lost about 200-270 HP.
I can just imagine an actual jungler with way less AoE than Liss trying to do this and I have to wonder what Riot was even thinking.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesBut if you were mid game 270 HP isn't bad considering Liss builds tanky.
Catastrop1 votesConsidering pre-raptor change, I could clear that camp without even taking more than 100hp in damage, it kind of is bad.
winteriscoming971 votesI've been able to consistantly full clear including them after I figured out they die much faster if you hit red buff before them.
This has held true for Nidalee, Eve, and even off meta picks like Urgot and kassadin.
xWaters1 votesJust play Ivern.
Alex h87211 votesPick 
, use your E>> Profit.
Bellows1 voteswhen i play vi I dash and e e and it kills them all and i still have full health almost. Raptors are literaly what make her so strong right now as well has multi clear camps. Her e (which i max first anyways) makes it breezy. Dont nerf vi, fix the jungle.
ForFoxSakes1 votesThey're only a problem on the first clear. Once you get both basic jg component items 
sustain isnt an issue especially if you stutter step animation cancel and attack when your CDs are up rather that just standing there tanking all of the mobs the entire time.
With the pack being so large it's hard for all of the raptors to actually hit you unless you just stand there like a scrub
VoidStaresBack1 votesThat's actually exactly what Riot intended, they didn't want raptors to be just another stepping stone on your full clear, they wanted it to be a decision based on how quickly you want to start ganking and whether you think you can clear them easily.
Not clearing them until 15 minutes is the definition of excessive, though, just don't do them on your first clear and you'll be fine.
Lord Discord1 votesi just reached 10 and did jg as graves and both games i had no trouble with the raptors and 1 with rengar and had no problem clearing them raptors red then krug when starting blue side on both champs
note i have all runes and masterys for my lvl
if a lvl 10 jgler can do raptors + krugs with graves and rengar on first clear so can u with any champ but what i read in post its all preffrence
note both champs i used have strong aoe
AgentBlack1 votesnote both champs i used have strong aoe
Most Champs don't have half the AoE necessary to take Raptors. If you don't have AoE at all, or it's on any significant cooldown (meaning you can't kill the little Raptors in <5 seconds), you take way too much damage to justify taking the camp at all.
Best princess EU1 votesi skip them too
idk who had the idea to return to season 1
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesCan the midlaners have them then?
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