Why do people say mages feel bad to play?

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very solid rebuttal. I will point out, however, that much of this - like my post - is opinion

Sorry sir/mam but I am not here for copouts. I am here for discussion. Pointing this out comes of more like a way7 to try and diminish the the grounds of my point withotu countering it. I'll take this part as a big "k".

i don't think the zhonyas nerf was justified. Zhonyas already had a relatively long cooldown - long enough for someone who used it like an idiot every time someone said 'boo' to regret it the next time they got jumped. Forcing someone to blow it was already a big deal - but now it ruins you for two whole minutes.

1 minute 30 seconds is not a long CD. 1 minute is the time it takes you to get to lane for crying out loud. Currently, Zhonya's is up virtually all the time you plan to use even think of using it. But that isn't even the issue. On top of this, it specs way to well in pure offense and defense simultaneously for an item that is supposed to be a defensive buy. The active alone is easily the most powerful one in the game. So much so that buying it just for the active is the primary reason it is gotten and getting it on champs just for said active even if the stats aren't optimal can be situationally beneficial on virtually every champ in the game.

Its active alone is a get out of jail free card.

If you're going to claim that blue buff will solve all of the mana issues, i'll point out two things

1. it doesn't last as long as it used to anymore.
2. in solo queue relying on the chance that you may have blue buff is ridiculous. Many junglers won't want to give you blue buff, and if you're a champ who RELIES on blue buff the enemy team will almost certainly be there to contest it.

Don't misconstrue what i said. Blue Buff isn't gonna resolve any issues. What it does is on top of the other things i mentioned (because Blue Buff doesn't exist in a vacuum) it will mitigate whatever little issue you seem to believe will persist after the changes (ones that i dont even think will exist)

Also, you may be playing at a different level than me, so my experience may be different than yours, but in my experience, grail was being bought a lot in the mid lane - specifically on mana using champions who spammed abilities, such as ziggs, but who don't want to be utterly useless before their tear gets stacked.

The change to grail was intended to kill it for champs like Ziggs who would infinitely spam long ranged safe seige without consequence. I repeat. It was the point.

Riot saw an issue with that kind of unrelenting unrestrained level of wave clear and poke without any real drawback and i can't help but agree that it is problematic.

In my experience tho, Orianna did in fact prefer Tear tho or even just straight Morrelonomicon.

And after the change, Orianna will likely still get it if she falls behind to transition into more of a support-ish role (which she often does)

the fact of the matter is that there were only two items in the game that 'invalidated' your mana bar, and those were seraphs (which takes forever to stack on most champs) and grail (which has very little AP to compensate). Going oom during sieges or teamfights isn't an option that a mana user with poke can swallow, so basically, you HAVE to build seraphs now. You are going to be seeing this item every single game someone picks a mage, i can guarantee it.

Nah, people will be getting the new Morello just as they had been before. it gives 100 AP now as well as a great amount of flat mana, the free mana on level up and the CDR and grievous wounds passive. it might be a bit OP honestly.

The Ice sot item also has the eternity passive and New Rod will basically make it to where you are good to go. Only champ i can really see always specing into Tear specifically IS Ziggs.

Brand's teamfight presence is definitely terrifying now. However, that doesn't invalidate the point i was trying to bring up, which is that his single combo burst is significantly lower now.

It isn't. He triggers the bomb on his single target all in which in of itself also refreshes his passive. It is the same if not a bit stronger technically and the effect hit has now makes it to where your Ult will hit them more times than before thanks to the new target priority on it.

Also, your claim that he only ever used e-q-w is ridiculous. Yes, that's his best trade combo, but all of his combos were situationally useful. Oftentimes, you would W a wave, wait a couple seconds for your W's cooldown to reduce and for your opponent to approach the wave, then you'd E a minion near your opponent, Q your now exposed lane opponent, auto, and W them when it came back up. Other times, you would Q the siege minion, E, and then W the wave to clear it. Or you'd W your opponent, Q them, and then E them and W again when it came back up.

Or you could have just as easily in that situation just E>Q'd your opponent. The situation you are describing is needlessly situation and contrived.

No self respecting orianna would ever, EVER be caught dead buying gunblade. ever. Speak for yoruself mister short sighted.

Currently sure. New changes to it speak differently

for perspective, will of the ancients did orianna every bit as much good as current gunblade does her, except that it's less expensive and doesn't provide 40 useless* AD. And she didn't buy that, so why would she buy gunblade? As for the frost shot one, she would never buy that. Her slow is up often enough that it simply wouldn't see use except as a part of her burst combo, which is already pretty potent. I can only imagine the item being bought either on supports or on champions that want a slow, but don't get one.

Dude, Wota is getting removed from the game. Look up the new Gunblade. you aren't stupid so yu know that this paragraph was basically you just needing somethign to reply with for the sake of it.

I main ori and i never bought rylai's on her. I haven't seen other people buying it on her, either, but i imagine that if they did, it was more because it's a 100 AP item that also gives a bunch of health rather than for the slow - which she doesn't need.

You should try it sometime then. ">_> No. people buy it for the stats sure because that goes though everyones mind when they buy an item typically. (Unless it has an OP active like Zhonyas) But the slow is also a huge part of it because it makes it to where she allies a lot of pressure and kitting in teamfights with her 3 second Q. her W isn't up enough to where it matches this let alone the slow on her Ulti being very potent.

For my opinion on protobelt (which is different than your opinion, but sees some use from it) see one of my other posts below.

Finally i'm going to close my eyes for your sake and pretend i didn't see you claiming that ROA just got "buffed" in what world does a nerf to most of its stats and the removal of its per level regen constitute anything besides a merciless gutting on anyone other than, say, maokai or nautilus? look the item isn't getting bought on anyone who isn't a tank after this and that's the end of it

Im gonna close my eyes and pretend you dont know how to read. The new Eternity passive makes RoA incredibly powerful. Champs Like Swain, Karthus and even Singed are gonna be monsters in team fights with it now and the only stats it gives less of are mana and a bit of AP. The old passive to new passive change only makes it weaker for champs that got it purely because it was a stats item as opposed to champs that got it specifically for synergy with their kits.

by everyone, do you mean all of the AP assassins? because last time i checked, that build was core on leblanc and ahri; but not on ziggs, vel'koz, orianna, brand, mid zyra, lux, and xerath, all of whom - last time i checked - still prefer grail.

Im guessing you don't play leblanc or Ahri actually got Morrelo and Luden's. Fizz got Luden's and Lich Bane but Okay. And again, all these champs dont get grail. They get Morrelo.

*the 40 AD is 'useless' on AP ori if she didn't buy nashors and get one or two defensive items - something a self respecting midlaner like me would only try in a norm, #trust. However, Gunblade is one of my favorite items on AP ezreal, among other champions.

Read my previous post about this. Also, i am a Mid lane main as well.

Your whole complex, much like everyone elses seems to be you are tuck with this preconception and refuse to see why these changes are being made and simply see changes. To you, it seems to be nothing but a game of buffs and nerfs but it isn't that simple.

no, the jump is so miniscule that it's not helpful for something like that however, the point blank damage on it is absurd so it's very good for someone like leblanc but maybe it could also be used to blow someone else up if you dashed in to them when they jumped you