Nunu gutting aftermath; 39% win rate

Dominick Destine·Feb 7, 2016·2 votes·1,134 views

http://champion.gg/champion/Nunu/Support I warned you when the gutting occurred that it was a bad idea to NERF one of the worst champions in the game... but of course people thought "No no, it's good that they're gutting Nunu" ... why? I have no idea.

If they would take a knife to Lee's torso the way they did for Nunu, I wouldn't complain but what is the purpose of gutting underpowered characters? seriously, what is there to gain? why wasn't Nunu BUFFED? serious question.

29 Comments

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 7, 201610 votes

Did you look Nunu Jungle? Because Nunu isn't support.

EndlessSorcererFeb 7, 20167 votes

Meanwhile Nunu has a 50% winrate in jungle (his main role) according to that same website.

Ave MachinaFeb 7, 20164 votes

That's because you're looking at Nunu support.

What makes Nunu so powerful as a jungler is that his Q, Consume, is basically a second Smite. At level 1, he can deal 400 true damage to jungle monsters every 13 seconds. If you keep leveling it, you can do up to 1000 true damage. He can tear through the jungle, and then the other team's jungle, at breakneck speed, and he can put massive pressure on Dragon and Baron to secure powerful buffs for his team.

Anyway, then he just builds tanky, uses W on his adc, and casts E sometimes.

TroiannFeb 7, 20164 votes

He has a 50% winrate in the jungle.

What was his support winrate prior to the nerf.

MiraweaveFeb 7, 20161 votes

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He has a 50% winrate in the jungle.

What was his support winrate prior to the ~~nerf~~ buff.

Fixed

Edge of DaybreakFeb 7, 20163 votes

So are you just gonna keep ignoring the fact that you got called out on using his top and support winrates? Cause no one is taking the bait so far we all know he is a jungler.

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

I ignore nothing, the stats do not lie but you can pretend otherwise if you want.

MrwiOzV6pBFeb 7, 20161 votes

What? I thought Nunu just got a buff...

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

He got a hard-nerf.

His slow used to last FIFTY PERCENT longer than it does now... and the damage was absolutely gutted.... it was one of the largest nerfs I've ever seen. Imagine them doing that to every Yasuo skill... would he still be good? I seriously don't understand why they nerfed Nunu so hard.

Critmaster GarenFeb 7, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aIfhFlkm,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-07T03:35:36.686+0000)

He got a hard-nerf.

His slow used to last FIFTY PERCENT longer than it does now... and the damage was absolutely gutted.... it was one of the largest nerfs I've ever seen. Imagine them doing that to every Yasuo skill... would he still be good? I seriously don't understand why they nerfed Nunu so hard.

the downtime between q slows is now .2 seconds at 45% cdr.

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

Forgetting the low range and cast time, sure.

But now you're investing almost twice the time and mana to do less damage per snowball with worse range and slow effect (used to last FIFTY PERCENT longer). Yeah nice.

ChroyoFeb 7, 20161 votes

Play him AP and 45% cdr. Have fun with only a .2 sec downtime of a slow. Most preferred jungle.

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

Yes, minus the cast time, low range and mana cost to get the same effect you used to get , except with more damage per spell.

Logic.

ChroyoFeb 7, 20162 votes

Have fun

Imo it's not that bad. Just lets you spam it a lot more. I'm just looking at Nunu with an off meta build. Because sure as hell I do enjoy sacrificing tankiness (and an enemies sanity) for quite a punch on a 2.2 second cooldown.

Skia AsteriFeb 7, 20161 votes

His win rate in every role is mostly unchanged, with the largest change being an 3% increase for top lane Nunu.

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

39% win rate overall... yeah that's a good position to be in.

Oh wait.

Skia AsteriFeb 7, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aIfhFlkm,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-02-07T04:03:55.425+0000)

39% win rate overall... yeah that's a good position to be in.

Oh wait.

And the sample is composed mainly of games by people with 1 to 5 ranked games on him in the last year. And by small change his win rate as support and jungle is less than 1%, which basically means the power change for them was neutral.

Dark NephthysFeb 7, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aIfhFlkm,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-02-07T04:03:55.425+0000)

39% win rate overall... yeah that's a good position to be in.

Oh wait.

39-40% win rate on 2 roles hes never ever really played. That doesn't mean hes terrible, it just means he is really only used in 1 role which is Jungle which is at a 50% which is good. By your logic then, Shyvana is completely terrible since her Top lane is only 43% while her Jungle is 53%? It's just no one really plays Shyvana top (Even though she is my main top laner lol...).

If those 39-40% win rates on Nunu also had a fairly decent play rate, then sure you would have a point...But.. Nunu Jungle: 50% Win, 1.5% play Nunu Top: 39% Win, 0.47% play Nunu Support: 40% Win, 0.34% play.

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

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39-40% win rate on 2 roles hes never ever really played.

Incorrect, the statistics do not bare out your lies.

That doesn't mean hes terrible

Are you seriously arguing that 39% win rate is NOT terrible?

Dark NephthysFeb 7, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aIfhFlkm,comment-id=0006000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-07T04:58:40.672+0000)

Incorrect, the statistics do not bare out your lies.

Are you seriously arguing that 39% win rate is NOT terrible?

No..39% win rate isn't good but he's not really a top laner or support champion but mainly a jungler. He's balanced around that and his kit works much better in the jungle which is why the Jungle statistic is what really matters. Sure he could be played top/support, and as it shows for on the website he is seen in those roles on very rare cases.

If people started to randomly bring Corki in the jungle and start doing horribly with it and it ends up with like a 35% win rate in the jungle, would you start calling Corki an underpowered and bad champion despite him having a 53% win rate in the 2 roles that actually fit towards his kit? (Mid/ADC etc).

ShonjlFeb 7, 20162 votes

Or maybe...Gasp! He isn't meant to be a top laner or support? Just because he is semi capable doesn't mean he is meant to be.

Nunu is a jungler. That is all he can do. And he is in a pretty good spot in his main role so he is fine.

He is no different than Skarner. He is just a jungler but he is amazing at jungling.

Dominick DestineFeb 7, 20161 votes

The statistics do not lie, your attempt to cherry pick is nonsense.

39% is unacceptable.

ShonjlFeb 8, 20161 votes

Stats don't matter when its not in its real role. I could do Soraka jungle and of course its going to be very poor since she is...Gasp...not meant to jungle, even if I do well on her.

Sooner you wrap your head around the the sooner you will be. Nunu is only meant to be a jungler. While he can somewhat do top and support, he isn't meant to be.

Dominick DestineFeb 8, 20161 votes

You are cherry picking the stats you want.

Your argument is absolute nonsense.... furthermore, even if we accept your awful argument, his win rate is still 46% in your cherry picked scenario.

ShonjlFeb 10, 20161 votes

Not really, all you are doing is complaining about a champ doing a role he shouldn't be in. And seeing the downvotes, people seem to disagree with you.

People have no issue with Nunu, he is a jungler and a pretty good one if he does his job as an early harasser that builds tanky AP. What he shouldn't be is support or top laner since support all he really does is a slow which is alright but nothing fancy and top lane he gets outscaled by every top laner anyways.

I get it, the role you liked no longer really works. But crying about winrates and such when its not even the role they are primarily is a lolfest. On the contary, if he is doing good in roles he shouldn't be in, that is an issue not a good thing.

What you are literally complaining about is literally the equivelent to my example of Soraka Jungle. Sure it can be done possibly, sure it can work, but anyone knows its not really a thing and don't try to act like it is.

Do as you will, I see no further reason to continue this so to each their own opinion.