"Hmm they have a lot of CC, I should probably get mercs"

HateDaddy·Sep 18, 2016·82 votes·5,104 views

"Fuck it, tenacity is garbage in this game. Their Cooldowns will just be up again in a few seconds anyway because everyone has 40% CDR and are ten times better at dealing with ranged ADCs."

Does anyone else find themselves saying this? I mean seriously, I only buy mercs when I want the MR or if they have a ryze/Morgana/Fiddle. Otherwise I just get Tabis because CC has become so spammable that the cc reduction you get won't matter much.

Tenacity is trash Cc is too spammable Everyone and their mom has CC

123 Comments

SchàdenfreudeSep 18, 201621 votes

What about damage creep?

"DEATH IS THE BEST CC"

dragon1xxSep 19, 201614 votes

http://i.imgur.com/6Sp5ec0.jpg

Only Play DariusSep 19, 201610 votes

Mordekaiser

agbudarSep 19, 201618 votes

hard displacement CC's are the problem

which there is a ton of right now.

used to be a select few utility champions that had it.

but riot decided it was a good idea to put it on damage oriented Yasuo champions just to name a few.

Unstoppable MonkSep 19, 20165 votes

Oh comon, Vi hasn't been OP tier since Season 3 and you're putting her next to that cancer champ?

InhaleMyGayWhaleSep 19, 20163 votes

At this point she is really quite strong compared to other champs. If the pros think so too we will soon find out, and then she will probably be nerfed

Unstoppable MonkSep 19, 20163 votes

Only if they nerfed out Rek, Grag, and Elise.

Hardstuck G4Sep 19, 20161 votes

Grag is pretty garbage right now, his ult feels horrible, Rek just got nerfs too, I think? Elise is Elise though

dominusxSep 19, 20162 votes

Elise doesnt even need nerfs she is good right now.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 19, 20162 votes

Vi has always been a strong pick lul. During the midgame she can oneshot any carry, good clear speed, decent tankyness to stay in the jungle, gank potential from everywhere and if her team knows how to follow up vi won't get oneshotted when ulting the enemy squishy.

MogarlSep 19, 201614 votes

Man I keep getting CC'd, better get merc treads Alistar Kalista Orianna Malphite Zac You know what, never mind.

Spaceman5pffSep 19, 20165 votes

Oh boy time to have some fun playing a nice tanky Malphite

Fiora Kindred Vayne Trundle

Oh shit, wait....

PhDs NutsSep 18, 20169 votes

I pick them up when I'm playing a juggernaut. If they're throwing more than one CC at me per fight, then they're wasting CC that should be used on my carries. If it's AoE CC, I want to get out of it early to be a disruption.

HateDaddySep 18, 201621 votes

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I pick them up when I'm playing a juggernaut. If they're throwing more than one CC at me per fight, then they're wasting CC that should be used on my carries. If it's AoE CC, I want to get out of it early to be a disruption.

It's not a waste of cc to use it on a champion that is generally kitable and their greatest weakness is CC lol

Crowd Control is generally best used on the most immediate threat on the enemy team and 9/10 times that'll be the juggernaut.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 18, 20164 votes

go ahead and focus the juggernaut and ignore the AP carry and the AD carry see how far that gets you

HateDaddySep 18, 201634 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-18T21:53:32.276+0000)

go ahead and focus the juggernaut and ignore the AP carry and the AD carry see how far that gets you

go ahead and think this game is as simple as applying the majority of your cc instantly to the enemy backline. There's a reason why front lines exist in the first place.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 18, 20164 votes

YES you are right... there is a reason for the front line... its to soak damage and tank cc so the damage dealers in the back can get off their damage

HateDaddySep 18, 201615 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-18T22:01:33.474+0000)

YES you are right... there is a reason for the front line... its to soak damage and tank cc so the damage dealers in the back can get off their damage

....so how do you plan on using "all of your cc on their AP carry and ADC" when you're agreeing with me that generally cc is used on the front line first lol.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 18, 20162 votes

no when i play cc tanks i peel the damage dealers off my carries or i cc their damage dealers so the y are less effective in a fight

HateDaddySep 18, 201614 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-18T22:21:48.207+0000)

no when i play cc tanks i peel the damage dealers off my carries or i cc their damage dealers so the y are less effective in a fight

so why did you say that I should I shouldn't be ignoring the AP carry and AD carry when you're saying right here that it's 50/50 whether you peel or try to disrupt the enemy carry.

Especially as a tank not named Malphite, you'll usually be peeling.

Photos of GhostsSep 19, 20166 votes

Except that Juggernauts are damage dealers.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 19, 20161 votes

and so are the ap mid and the ad carry

morris1Sep 19, 20166 votes

Juggernauts are immediate threats. An ADC will kite you, most mages have either range or some survivability. If Darius is hugging your carry don't go out of your way to try to CC their ADC.

dominusxSep 19, 20162 votes

if your adc is in range of darius you already lost the fight lmfao

5000000000000000Sep 19, 20161 votes

Exactly, which is why you should use your CC on Darius that's walking up to your ADC, instead of try to use it on the enemy ADC

SteelflameSep 18, 201613 votes

As much as you think your arguement makes sense, and I like to disagree with Hatedaddy, you can't ignore juggernauts. They are like really tanky ADCs, only with 0 mobility and range, to enable them to have godlike sustain and tankyness instead. Go ahead, ignore that Darius for 5 seconds. I DARE you. Go ahead, let Illaoi walk into the middle of your team uncontested. I DARE you.

Juggernauts are tanks in the fact you can't afford to leave them alone, so you have to focus them to keep them from going on and pentakilling your team.

Also, HateDaddy has consisently been in diamond for the last few years, and while I feel he is a bit too biased to tanks/tops in general, he does bring up good points about the current super-damage and CDR soaked meta we have atm due to riot making maxing CDR a standard thing, rather than an thing you have to put effort into, while Keystones are giving everyone a large chunk of extra damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 18, 20161 votes

ok but to say that items that reduce cc are worthless and to ignore them all together and only focus on the other damage in the game is stupid. and for him being a diamond player should know better. and i welcome people to play the game with no cc reduction of any kind and see how the last. did i say you would ignore a juggernaut no? i said i would worry about the people who are gonna do the most damage. and focused on cc and peeling for my carries to allow them to do damage. now what stage of game are we in, who is fed on their team who is fed on my team all plays into that. if the top laner is 8-2-2 and the adc is 1-3-4 im not gonna give two shits about their adc but if the adc is 7-2-4 and their top laner is at best even then guess who im focusing my cc on to negate their damage?

HateDaddySep 19, 20166 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-18T23:32:25.459+0000)

ok but to say that items that reduce cc are worthless and to ignore them all together and only focus on the other damage in the game is stupid. and for him being a diamond player should know better. and i welcome people to play the game with no cc reduction of any kind and see how the last. did i say you would ignore a juggernaut no? i said i would worry about the people who are gonna do the most damage. and focused on cc and peeling for my carries to allow them to do damage. now what stage of game are we in, who is fed on their team who is fed on my team all plays into that. if the top laner is 8-2-2 and the adc is 1-3-4 im not gonna give two shits about their adc but if the adc is 7-2-4 and their top laner is at best even then guess who im focusing my cc on to negate their damage?

Because there's so many spammable CC spells, not to mention displacements that aren't reduced by tenacity, that the stat itself feels worthless. I only go for mercs when I know I could playing against something where I can't outplay or outright avoid their CC. And even then, it feels crappy.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 19, 20161 votes

but there has always been cc in the game. why now cry its too strong?

HateDaddySep 19, 20167 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=0000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-19T03:13:39.044+0000)

but there has always been cc in the game. why now cry its too strong?

Because it's become more prevalent on every class, it's become more spammable because practically everything except the ADC reaches CDR (and even then some ADCs do it) and because cc that isn't reduced by tenacity has become more common?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 19, 20162 votes

i feel i can sum up all of season 6 of league... season of tears.. everyone crying about something.

The GovernerSep 19, 201614 votes

"Time to resort to passive-aggressiveness because I have no good counter-arguments."

ChlululuSep 19, 20161 votes

THIS IS FUNNY

AmetDeCryptSep 20, 20161 votes

I LAUGHED VERY HARD

Spaceman5pffSep 19, 20163 votes

Team A: Maokai LeeSin Viktor Lucian Braum Team B: Darius Gragas Syndra Jhin Thresh

Darius Goes in, Viktor and Braum apply cc to him to peel for their backline while Maokai and Lee Sin try to pressure the enemy backline. Simplified, but at its core a generally solid example of a teamfight.

MOST teamfights will see some people peeling and some diving, just how it goes. NOTE: In many cases, Viktor can peel divers while zoning the enemy backline with lazers

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 18, 20167 votes

you live up to your name dont ya ?

HateDaddySep 18, 201611 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-18T21:43:54.873+0000)

you live up to your name dont ya ?

I don't know

J EevoSep 19, 20167 votes

The problem is that there's a shitload of knockups knockbacks and other shit that doesn't get reduced by tenacity because uh, reasons? You can get permacc'd even as an irelia with a buttload of tenacity because for some reasons the knockups and knockbacks are exempt from the rules and don't get reduced.

SaltyKrackaSep 19, 20165 votes

I'm of the opinion that they feel so much weaker because:

A: More than ever, CC in the game comes in the form of spammable slows (looking at you, Rylai's) and knock ups

B: Riot kinda shat on them during the preseason and haven't buffed them back up to where they should be yet.

Linna ExcelSep 18, 20164 votes

Riot has been trying to kill tenacity for awhile because whenever someone gets stunlocked, a rioter cries a tear of happiness.

HateDaddySep 18, 20168 votes

[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a5nbwMJG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-18T21:53:04.026+0000)

Riot has been trying to kill tenacity for awhile because whenever someone gets stunlocked, a rioter cries a tear of happiness.

Shit I got stunned by Irelias E, maybe I'll meet my grandchildren by the time I'm unlocked

WolfChasesSep 18, 20164 votes

Casters be like "OMG OMG LOOK AT THAT, THE PERFECT MORGANA'$ BINDING OOOOOOOH LOOOOOOOK AT THI$ FOR THE CHRI$T $AKE IT'$ FOLLOWED BY ELI$E'$ AND IRELIA'$ $TUN$ OOOOOH AND HE DIED...POOR A$HE COULDN'T DODGE ALL OF THAT"

Unstoppable MonkSep 19, 20162 votes

I sense a lie. The caster would die of old age before casting the end of Morgana's Q.

WolfChasesSep 22, 20161 votes

Hahaha you nailed it :D I am talking about LCS casters not about caster champions in game :D

The DeckownerSep 19, 20164 votes

you know what is worse? knock up/displacements that can't be reduced by tenacity, and rylais/mellet slow can be easily re-applied before the duration reduction of mer-thread even do anything.

Spaceman5pffSep 19, 20163 votes

That is why you build item 3009 vs permaslows, not item 3111

GayFluffyUnicornSep 19, 20163 votes

So instead of getting 40% slows you get 30% slows. Great. I'd rather get some MR on top of it. In the end it doesn't even matter since in both cases the slows are reapplied constantly. Neither of these boots help against that. Especially rylais is busted af and needs a nerf/change.

SaiannaSep 20, 20163 votes

I stopped buying merc threads after realizing that every champion has knockups instead of stuns.

Baron PerenoldeSep 19, 20162 votes

Tenacity could use some changes for sure, and the availability of CDR on all classes has been a problem ever since the Mage and Marksman updates... I just don't know how this gets fixed aside from Riot beefing up the cool downs of every CC ability in the game or something.

chipndip1Sep 19, 20162 votes

Mercs are still useful...but not as useful as it used to be, yeah.

As for everyone having cc, giving spells cc makes them easier to balance than just MasterYi throwing a shit Tryndamere ton of numbers DrMundo at each other's Garen Mordekaiser Ezreal faces, waiting to item 3124 break one thing item 3025 or another in the game.