Fizz AA range nerfs should not go live.

RexSaur·Jun 7, 2016·4 votes·668 views

Or atleast adjusted to 150, 125 just makes no sense for him and makes him feel laggy on pbe because you have to literally walk inside ppl to hit them due to his small champ model.

Making champs feel like shit to play as shouldnt be the goal of nerfs, i get it that riot wants to reduce his power level and that is fine, but you dont need to make the champ feel bad to play at the same time, just tone down his numbers (like they are already doing by nerfing his E CD) and thats it.

Besides, the range nerf really hurts ap squishy fizz more than it does for tank fizz, just nerf his W passive %¨health damage base and increase the ap ratio if you want another change with the E nerf.

16 Comments

SasogwaJun 7, 20163 votes

I agree that this is hardly the spot to touch him if we want to nerf him. I don't really get it. Making him feel awkward to play is a weird nerf.

DefendedJun 7, 20162 votes

Its okay tbh. I feel no remorse for dickheads who want to play fizz. Even fizz mains are admitting he needs nerfs

RexSaurJun 7, 20163 votes

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Its okay tbh. I feel no remorse for dickheads who want to play fizz. Even fizz mains are admitting he needs nerfs

Have you even read what i posted?

He needs nerfs, but nerfs are something that tone his power level down, it doesnt need to make him feel clunky to play as at the same time by messing with his core kit mechanics.

DefendedJun 7, 20161 votes

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Have you even read what i posted?

He needs nerfs, but nerfs are something that tone his power level down, it doesnt need to make him feel clunky to play as at the same time by messing with his core kit mechanics.

Thats why i said that. Make him feel clunky. Make him feel weird. So nobody plays that freelo fucker

RexSaurJun 7, 20163 votes

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Thats why i said that. Make him feel clunky. Make him feel weird. So nobody plays that freelo fucker

Thats totally not biased at all.

DefendedJun 7, 20162 votes

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Thats totally not biased at all.

I mean when i have 4 threads saved of fizz mains saying fizz needs nerfs.... I dont think i could be more biased

CalabokJun 7, 20162 votes

no, the fish has had it too good for too long. It is time for him to be more balanced. I say they should proceed with the nerfing.

SaltyKrackaJun 7, 20161 votes

Come. Join us in the 125 bracket.

hOrnnJun 7, 20161 votes

I feel like the fish is fine, assassins are meant to assassinate, hes actually really weak mid lane, and I beat his tankcrap yesterday with fiora top.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 7, 20161 votes

Don't worry, tankfizz will soon be outshined. Irelia already sitting at 12% playrate and 54 % winrate. Her playrate nearly doubled and winrate +3-4%.

hOrnnJun 7, 20161 votes

when plebs spam master q, Lucian, zed, and yasuo but call fizz freelo

Irelia BotJun 7, 20161 votes

I wish they would also do this nerf to trundle.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 7, 20161 votes

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Or atleast adjusted to 150, 125 just makes no sense for him and makes him feel laggy on pbe because you have to literally walk inside ppl to hit them due to his small champ model.

Making champs feel like shit to play as shouldnt be the goal of nerfs, i get it that riot wants to reduce his power level and that is fine, but you dont need to make the champ feel bad to play at the same time, just tone down his numbers (like they are already doing by nerfing his E CD) and thats it.

Besides, the range nerf really huts ap squishy fizz more than it does for tank fizz, just nerf his W passive %¨health damage base and increase the ap ratio if you want another change with the E nerf.

I agree, they should compensate him with a minion collision passive

oh wait!

Votable JesterJun 7, 20161 votes

Maybe it isn't the right area to nerf, but auto-attack range is a number.

I do feel that it is a good area to nerf though; it'll force him to move closer to cs (making it easier to harass him early on), make it generally easier to kite him in the (short) moments when his spells are on cd, and make it a little bit more dangerous for him to attack towers. When he's actually assassinating someone, the attack range shouldn't have too big of an influence.

RexSaurJun 7, 20161 votes

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Maybe it isn't the right area to nerf, but auto-attack range is a number.

I do feel that it is a good area to nerf though; it'll force him to move closer to cs (making it easier to harass him early on), make it generally easier to kite him in the (short) moments when his spells are on cd, and make it a little bit more dangerous for him to attack towers. When he's actually assassinating someone, the attack range shouldn't have too big of an influence.

The reason he has 175 is due to how his Q works (sends him foward a set fixed distance) and due to the fact his champ model is small + he has no way to farm from range.

And the fact he uses a friggin trident.