Garen's passive shouldn't be interrupted by Monsters at level 1 instead of 11

I support it!

Garen must use the new Sunfire Cape!

IT CALLS TO HIM

DIE, VILLAINOUS KRUG! Yes pls Also, have you tried it this patch? I havn't. Custom time.

Thematics aside, it makes a lot more sense to me that Riot would randomly buff Garen into a jungler rather then them randomly buffing Nidalee into jungle.

It's not too oppressive but his sustain would be too high. Maybe he can only regen half the health lost from monsters?

dude, fucking no, he would have an improved mundo ult at all times and his spells don't even cost health

nobody got the time to keep interuptting his passive, also the silence gank seems a bit too of the roof (i'd run ghost)

As a Garen main, I've always wanted to be able to take him as a jungler. With the new cinderhulk I might give it another shot. The last time I tried it was Season 4 before the changes to the jungle mobs that made them so much stronger.

To the people saying he would be broken, that's just not true. Garen has no CC outside of his silence, so unless the laner has some sort of stun, root or slow, they're just going to walk away unless they can get bursted down and ulted.

No way he would be broken, since his ganks still would suck. Riot just hates Garen and they keep him weak on purpose.

I actually like this, especially if you consider how easy it is to counter (with hard counter too) Garen in top lane. It would give him an alternate viable role.

You do realize that he would be able to literally jungle ad infinitum if his passive didn't turn off from monsters early on? He would immediately become the best jungle in the game for high powered clearing and infinite sustain, as well as excellent early game dueling strength. He would quit easily bully literally every other jungle in the game (even Lee sin) because he would have no resource, permanent self healing, and massive AOE clear. I like Garen just as much as the next guy, but the jungle just isn't ready for him yet.

The level 1 gromp farm tho

he would become top tier so fast, he'd always have a mini health pot up. then he just farms till six and ganks bot with ult.

Garen still has an incredibly slow clear time; and having his passive and focusing on damage Garen would be counter-intuitive and more than a little weird.

The issue is that his E actually does less damage to monsters then just autoattacking, particularly if you focus on damage.

If you want a functional jungle garen you should instead look at bolstering his judgement damage vs. jungle monsters to even that up a little; the regen should stay the same to encourage these new jungle garen's to camp out in bushes or spend time roving around to heal and less time farming.

His E needs to do more the monsters, passive is fine right now.

i play garen jg sometimes. build warrior and lurk in bushes. silence the poor fool jungler who thinks he can clear camps. 100-0 them with a lvl 6 combo. build randuins. proceed to flank botlane and towerdive resulting in double kill for your adc.

this may only work 20% of the time but when it does its really funny

I have done jungle Garen quite a few times. It is fantastic!

People say he has a bad clear are most likely lvling wrong or have the wrong runes. (hint: AD rune page, not health tank page).

All garen needs to clear well is either krug buff then red, or Gromp buff to red. He does not need Blue at all, ever, EEEEVVVVAAARRR.

What makes him good is that his E (judgement) does full damage to monsters, it is no longer reduced, and that was quite a while ago that change happened.

His regen (for those wondering how he stays healthy) will be up by the time he gets a camp and moves to the next one.

If it was always up as opposed to at lvl 11, no jungler would be as healthy as him coming out for a gank, nunu included.

Hell, his late game is super silly with full items 500 HP REGEN! Mundo doesn't have that without at least popping his ult. with Garen, that is always up outside of dragon, baron, and teamfights.

With the new jungle changes, i am surprised that more people are not doing garen jungle, but I understand, his ganks need follow-up to work. Unless the enemy is super low or you are lvl 6, garen can't get a kill by himself easily.

But, with a moderate to heavy CC comp, That always-up silence in a chain CC is deadly. I have seen Leblancs run from me than fight me because of it. Hell I have popped (no joke) an Ahri to use both her flash and ult to get away, and i almost got her anyway (we had a lulu and I think an Orianna , I was super fast).

His ganks are pretty much like rammus's ganks, Run up Silence, Spin-to-win, Ult. If the laner is anywhere near you, that is an easy kill.

I am also kinda strange in that I do 0/9/21 for jungle, increased jungle buff time, income, vamp, and movement really help when you get behind or far ahead.

But give it a try, see if you find a method that works for you and have fun.

Also, don't get devourer's it is awful on garen, just don't. :(

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1758502092/206176227?tab=overview

his clear is pretty slow and his ganks are not the best if your laners dont got a lot of CC but damn is it fun. The moment i got Bami my clear became ultra easy, spin-to-win+Cinderhulk= Garen Jungle OP Clear lol. We actually would have done a lot better but bot lane was pushed constantly to the enemy turret and dying, then they would come back and immediately push again. Whenever i ganked they refused to use any form of CC :( but when i ganked Mid we got some kills, i either get the kill with Smite+Justice or i get an assist so it was working pretty good.

Jungle garen + poacher's = a very bad game for the enemy jungle. It would take a laners coming to babysit their jungle to even give them a chance, and if they did that you've weakened their lane integrity. He wouldn't even Have to get kills, just harass/disrupt the enemy jungle all game and try not to die.