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If you want to be viable on Kha then stop evolving W. Please.

Poptart Evelynn··2 votes·674 views

All of you complaining about Kha being in a bad spot, he doesn't do enough damage, he can't team fight, and etc...

  • First, evolve route is Q > E > R. W is garbage and I have no clue why people upgrade it.

  • Second, learn to jungle correctly. Like idk why people don't kill the adds first. I mean how else are you going to get isolation damage from your q on a monster. /derp derp

  • Third, please stop trying to tank with Kha. He's a freakin assassin. You see your top picked riven? WOW I GUESS IT's A REALLY BAD IDEA TO PICK AN ASSASSIN WITH A RIVEN. You can't play Kha with what your allies choose if it will force you into attempting to tank. He doesn't fit every team comp. /wrist

  • Fourth, for the love of god learn to utilize ultimate correctly in team fights. You know why people in high elo aim for max cdr by level 16? So that they can Q in between each ultimate use. You can kill freakin tanks like a chain saw through butter(if they are isolated). Seriously, stop prematurely leaving stealth just for the passive proc.

  • Fifth the last and most important, item 1400 >item 3117 >item 3142 >item 3074 >item 2140 >item 3071 >item 3026 . There you go the up to date one shot grass hopper build. Congratulations on playing kha like an Assassin. With this build you can kill even tanks if they are isolated although they will require all 3 ultimate rotations for a tank.

I swear to god Riot is going to rape Kha'zix with a turret gun that is made out of a raid can for bugs the following patch after any buffs. He's not as easy as you think he is to use, get some skill, he is perfectly viable on certain team comps atm.

Does he need some changes? Yes, his isolation requirement is too reliant on the ignorance of the enemy and not the skkill of the user. But he for damn sure doesn't need number changes. (100 range buff to wings? Ok inb4 he's broken again in low elo)

K thanks have a good day.

Edit - Nice downvotes W evolvers.

10 Comments

Naomi CoffeeGoat2 votes

In all honesty, it's up to preference. I take W if I need to peel enemies off my team or I absolutely NEED the stronger slow. It's still a fairly high ratio ability and can hit three different targets, slowing and granting vision of them. It's not really that trash. It's all preference or what's needed at the time.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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In all honesty, it's up to preference. I take W if I need to peel enemies off my team or I absolutely NEED the stronger slow. It's still a fairly high ratio ability and can hit three different targets, slowing and granting vision of them. It's not really that trash. It's all preference or what's needed at the time.

Eww. Not even going to try and explain mana issues.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Eww. Not even going to try and explain mana issues.

People are downvoting you because you are an ignorant stuck up person who thinks they know everything because they are high elo. Kha is in a bad place right now because of his ult evolve and passive being made practically useless for his role in comparison to other assassins. His isolation range needs a little bit of a buff and evolving his ult needs more of an incentive because it delays his burst patterns. Why would you play Kha when you can play Rengar, Talon, Zed, LB, or Akali.

He is the worst in his niche and playing him is kind of lack luster compared to other choices. I played him way back before he was considered OP and got dumpsterred because I found him fun. But the nerfs were too much and I just gave up and I don't like him anymore. His patterns aren't reliable enough even in low elos. This isn't even considering that he has probably the latest power spikes of all the assassins too.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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People are downvoting you because you are an ignorant stuck up person who thinks they know everything because they are high elo. Kha is in a bad place right now because of his ult evolve and passive being made practically useless for his role in comparison to other assassins. His isolation range needs a little bit of a buff and evolving his ult needs more of an incentive because it delays his burst patterns. Why would you play Kha when you can play Rengar, Talon, Zed, LB, or Akali.

He is the worst in his niche and playing him is kind of lack luster compared to other choices. I played him way back before he was considered OP and got dumpsterred because I found him fun. But the nerfs were too much and I just gave up and I don't like him anymore. His patterns aren't reliable enough even in low elos. This isn't even considering that he has probably the latest power spikes of all the assassins too.

"People are downvoting you because you are an ignorant stuck up person who thinks they know everything because they are high elo."

  • Effectively using Kha in his current state but others aren't and I'm doing something different. Weird, producing results with a different route yet I'm the one in the wrong. Okay.

"Kha is in a bad place right now because of his ult evolve and passive being made practically useless for his role in comparison to other assassins."

  • Incorrect, the only reason Kha is in a bad state is because his balance is reliant on the ignorance of the enemy preventing isolation. Should actually hear some of the challenger kha mains talk about that btw before stating that. His passive is strong as hell and upgrading his ult gives a huge strength in teamfights but you actually need skill to utilize it correctly or you need to actually learrn how to do it in the first place if u say its useless to upgrade.

"This isn't even considering that he has probably the latest power spikes of all the assassins too."

  • His power spike is 1100 gold or level 6, that isn't an issue at all.
Naomi CoffeeGoat1 votes

I don't see where you're coming from :P He still has the same mana usage if he evolves it or not so that seems rather irrelevant.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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I don't see where you're coming from :P He still has the same mana usage if he evolves it or not so that seems rather irrelevant.

By evolving W you choose to play around that instead of the weaving style of R.

Naomi CoffeeGoat1 votes

And by the time W is evolved the mana issues are virtually gone. So I still don't see the point of bringing up the mana issues. And who cares? I bought the champ and I'll play him however I want. It's not even that I'm restricting myself to that playstyle. At least if I go for the evolved W playstyle I'm thinking about my team and trying to help peel for my carries, grant vision for our team, secure kills with the stronger slow, and, even though it's not much of a problem for me, have a more reliable skillshot.

I can make the R evolution sound just as bad as you make the W out to be. (Despite the only argument you have for it is that it's garbage and the supposed mana issues when you should be level 16 by the time you evolve it) It's a selfish ability versus W evolution that only benefits you and you'll probably die anyways from CC before you even get all the charges off.

My point being the W evolution is just as useful as the R evolution. It's still a preference of how you feel ult evolution is so much better and W is worthless. But it's something I don't agree with.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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And by the time W is evolved the mana issues are virtually gone. So I still don't see the point of bringing up the mana issues. And who cares? I bought the champ and I'll play him however I want. It's not even that I'm restricting myself to that playstyle. At least if I go for the evolved W playstyle I'm thinking about my team and trying to help peel for my carries, grant vision for our team, secure kills with the stronger slow, and, even though it's not much of a problem for me, have a more reliable skillshot.

I can make the R evolution sound just as bad as you make the W out to be. (Despite the only argument you have for it is that it's garbage and the supposed mana issues when you should be level 16 by the time you evolve it) It's a selfish ability versus W evolution that only benefits you and you'll probably die anyways from CC before you even get all the charges off.

My point being the W evolution is just as useful as the R evolution. It's still a preference of how you feel ult evolution is so much better and W is worthless. But it's something I don't agree with.

By evolving w you give up your teamfight potential. He has mana issues when resetting with wings if you spam W before you start becoming a grasshopper.

If you want to evolve W, by all means do so, just don't complain he is so bad and needs buffs if you plan to play him the wrong way.

Oh and it's not selfish to do your job as an assassin. It's what they are meant to do.

Naomi CoffeeGoat1 votes

-Still completely irrelevant on the mana issues. You're going to use W regardless and now it's been evolved for more reliability and utility. So that makes no sense. As for team fight potential I don't see how you give it up. Full fledged team fights is one of the last things he wants due to isolation as he relies more on cleanups or deleting carries before team fights. Anything where he can safely get his resets off. W evolution increases teamfight potential if anything as you can now hit MORE targets with your W with a stronger slow for your allies to make use of with a powerful ratio. Ult evolution, what the hell will you do if your targets are unisolated when you're trying to get your Q cooldown with the ult charges?

-And that's a very sheltered and ignorant view of the champ. That he's bad because someone has a different playstyle on the very champ that's meant to evolve his abilities to adapt to the situation. I'm very fine with his playstyle as his main and he's my pocket pick for whenever I wanna have fun or do really well with cause I know the champ enough.

-And that was just an example of how you make the W evolution sound. By making it sound useless and glorifying the other ability.

I'm going to bed now. All I can do is hope you change your views a bit on Kha'Zix to get a better enjoyment out of him. Change is good afterall.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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-Still completely irrelevant on the mana issues. You're going to use W regardless and now it's been evolved for more reliability and utility. So that makes no sense. As for team fight potential I don't see how you give it up. Full fledged team fights is one of the last things he wants due to isolation as he relies more on cleanups or deleting carries before team fights. Anything where he can safely get his resets off. W evolution increases teamfight potential if anything as you can now hit MORE targets with your W with a stronger slow for your allies to make use of with a powerful ratio. Ult evolution, what the hell will you do if your targets are unisolated when you're trying to get your Q cooldown with the ult charges?

-And that's a very sheltered and ignorant view of the champ. That he's bad because someone has a different playstyle on the very champ that's meant to evolve his abilities to adapt to the situation. I'm very fine with his playstyle as his main and he's my pocket pick for whenever I wanna have fun or do really well with cause I know the champ enough.

-And that was just an example of how you make the W evolution sound. By making it sound useless and glorifying the other ability.

I'm going to bed now. All I can do is hope you change your views a bit on Kha'Zix to get a better enjoyment out of him. Change is good afterall. You say I have an ignorant/sheltered outlook of Kha. No, I have raw experience of testing multiple things. I have a LOT of experience with Kha.

Kha Q cd = 2.1 seconds with max cdr. Kha evolved R lets you go invis for 2 seconds. Kha Youmuu > W > E > Hydra > Q > AA > Stealth(wait on q) > AA > Q > Stealth(wait on q) > AA > Q > Stealth etc. That is 1v1 fighting and these rotations happen very fast. Can even melt tanks with it. Plus the entire time you aren't being hit much because you're invisible.

Kha Team fighting with R. Youmuu > R > Run to target you want to kill > AA > Q > R(from here you decide if you are safe to continue or not) > if safe repeat rotation if not safe you jump away with wings. That is 5v5 fighting, you can fight without isolation and utilize passive to slow a target. If they are something like Ez and jump as you hit them then you can simply wings to them as they just isolated themselves. Which vs adcs/apcs without armor does roughly 1k~ damage without isolation and can be repeated three times. Wow that is 3k damage you can't do with W evolve Kha.

This is raw experience you do not have and you are the one talking from an ignorant perspective. For once stop talking and think about this. Try it out and be amazed at how much more powerful this is over W. If I have to show you a video of this in action. Then I will.

You just don't understand that my main is about to be frekin destroyed. I've been through this before with Eve and I'm going to sit back and watch my next main champion be completely obliterated because people like "you" are ignorant.

"That he's bad because someone has a different playstyle on the very champ that's meant to evolve his abilities to adapt to the situation"

  • Btw just want to touch on this. You are actually backing what I'm trying to say with this statement. You are half way correct here. What "if" his evolves aren't actually balanced in the statement you said. Oh wait but that would prove my point because it is actually like that. His W evolve is garbage compared to R.

Instead of sitting here telling me how you are right and I'm wrong. Why don't you go try out this rotation of what I'm talking about. Then come back and talk.

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