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Are we REALLY still arguing about supports not being able to carry a game?

Ahristocats··7 votes·751 views

"supports have no impact" let me get straight on this

IF YOU CAN'T CARRY AS A SUPPORT IT MEANS THE ROLE ISN'T FOR YOU period

the same way i can't carry as playing mid because i have no fucking clue on how to play mid do you see me walking around saying that midlane is garbage and can't carry a game?

people need to stop crying about the support role JUST LIKE IN SEASON FUCKING 2 "wtf riot, supports only buy wards and can't buy items, even if my kit is made to work without items. supports are garbage buff supports"----->riot nerfing every supports and gave them generic support items item 3504 item 3107 item 3190

Supports play a high impact in every single game (at least in high elo) their presence from lvl 1 to 7 or 8 is what decides the early game in the bottom part of the map. The majority of supports have the abiity to gank with a hard cc, making you able to gank mid if the wave is pushed in early game you can ward the enemy jungle after lvl 4, GIVING YOUR ENTIRE TEAM the information on where the enemy jungler, if this is not the definition of carrying a game what is it?

thing is non-support mains play support for the first time and have no idea what to do they will just afk in lane try to poke or some shit and hope for their team to carry them a real support main will know everything listed above

let's not forget that supports have some new "missions" -destroying blast plants to avoid being ganked easily -destroying vision plants -help the adc to farm, as Thresh for instance i always press E on the entire wave to let my Caitlyn oneshot an entire wave with Q, AND YES this has an impact on winning lane because every moments matter in botlane laning phase when it comes to pushing, because every single damage will matter on first blood tower, AND in enemy tower killing more allied creeps to make the enemy adc lose more farm

then in teamfight, every single one of your spell are gamechanging, and i'm not kidding (unless you're playing Sona) list me a single support spell that doesn't have a high impact in teamfight/2v2 or w/e you want

"But you can't win as a support if your entire team is bad" well not shit? who can win with a bad team?

cause everytime i played Jhin Caitlyn Vayne Darius , i die if my support is afk in the brain and doesn't protect from the enemies

remember that just like a support can't win without a good ADC, an ADC CAN'T win if your support isn't here for summoner 3 item 3190 item 3401 item 3107

if you wouldn't be able to carry as a support, a lot of high elo players wouldn't be support mains right now

16 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear5 votes

It's defintely a different kind of support, but people seem to only care about carrying if you have a flashy KDA.

People often forget that it's the support that carries the ADC through their weak early.

Ahristocats3 votes

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It's defintely a different kind of support, but people seem to only care about carrying if you have a flashy KDA.

and you can't get a flashy KDA by playing sup?

https://i.gyazo.com/c82b7755ccf1e6d2b40241b08170cf4b.png

you just have to be good at the role and you get a flashy KDA

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Don't get me wrong it's possible.

It's just that if a support gets kills they're supporting "incorrectly" but if they just get assists then they're not worth listening to. It's pretty stupid honestly.

I know people don't think like that in your elo. I was mainly referring to Silver/gold.

Hethalean3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZsEf45Km,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-28T12:41:14.992+0000) list me a single support spell that doesn't have a high impact in teamfight/2v2 or w/e you want

Blitzcrank W Bard E (very very very useful, just not as much in a fight I think but for certain very much up in the air and up for debate

Now that I'm done trying to be a pest with that lol I totally agree. Supportive carry style is not the normal carry style (ignore Zyra Brand for a moment anyway), and not everyone gets how to do it. I'm with you on that. I suck at mid too, but I don't go around saying it is garbo.

I'm not sure, but it's probably to do more with me being a shit silver. However, it does seem some champs can 1v9. I've had games where I just absolutely carry in the KDA sense as support Brand (it's just so fun), but that probably will be a lot less effective when the people in higher elos whom are better skilled and knowledgeable thus know how to punish me for it.

Ahristocats3 votes

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Blitzcrank W

allows him to get one of the highest burst of movement speed to hook an enemy allows him to get an attack speed steroid combined with AD runes it can make him able to do a decent amount of damage in 2v2

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Bard E (very very very useful, just not as much in a fight I think but for certain very much up in the air and up for debate

i didn't say that support abilities were usefull in every situation, i said that they were gamechanging and bard's E is gamechanging because it can allow an immobile ally to escape a teamfight by going through a wall, and allies travel faster than enemies, and bard can stun someone that tries to travel through the gate

in pure 5v5 bard's E is useless in skilled 5v5 with kiting and positioning, bard's E can carry a game

Hethalean1 votes

I thought you were talking about fighting combats wtih the 2v2 teamfights, etc. As for Blitz W, i am definitely open for being wrong. It just never seemed tooo useful to me. Again though, I suck so lol I know I'm wrong a lot. :)

Dionesus2 votes

Having high impact is not the same as carrying. Plz stop. And if carrying as support was so easy...then apdo would play the role to climb, but he doesn't.

Mecha MaIphite3 votes

the "conventional" definition of carrying is skewed

real carrying isn't just about dealing damage and getting kills, it's about having a high enough impact to turn around a bad but salvageable game

Ravenhale1 votes

Have to appreciate Malphite responding to a comment undermining high impact. ^_^

Dionesus1 votes

I understand what you are saying but the level of "carry" a support is capable of is significantly lower then other roles. I'm sorry but that is a just a fact. Plus you need to still rely on your teamates more then other roles.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

remember that just like a support can't win without a good ADC

Actually if your yasuo, jax, yi, [insert a fighter or a sustained damages champion] is good you can peel for him and still win even if your adc is crap :)

AgentBlack1 votes

You can't carry in the traditional sense because supports just create opportunities by enabling allies or disabling enemies, thus nothing you do matters if your team isn't on board. A Thresh hook is only worth as much as its follow-up, and Janna's peel is only worth whatever extra damage the carry gets off. If your team blows, there's realistically nothing you can do about it, whereas any other role can go 25/0 and potentially solo carry a game.

This is the nature of support in every MOBA, though, and doesn't break the role outright. But no, supports can't meaningfully carry.

Ravenhale1 votes

This is not limited to Support. If you play a Tank Jungle or a Tank Top, you have the same issue of requiring your damage based teammates to follow up on your initiations.

Ahristocats1 votes

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You can't carry in the traditional sense because supports just create opportunities by enabling allies or disabling enemies, thus nothing you do matters if your team isn't on board.

and if you're a carry or anything else (except assassins) you can't kill enemies without opportunities given by supports or any other kind of class, unless they missplayed hard and got caught alone

if you warded the jungle early one to spot a jungler, you don't creat opportunities, you remove opportunities of enemy team making your team winning

there is a reason that a lot of support mains achieved high elo, it's not because they had good allies, it's because also because they were decent enough themselves to make their allies good

Maximum Morde1 votes

I can carry just fine as support if I get fed.

Poske1 votes

Huh...

Its not that supports cant carry

Problem is that they cant carry as hard as other roles

I already made bunch of suggestions on how to make supports more relevant.

Single Person teleport between toplane and bottomlane (This would also Reduce MId center of everything favoritism) Denying whether it is starting item/Keystone/Bot wave changed

Just take a look at Leona gameplay. IN some matchups SHE CANT EVEN USE A SINGLE ABILITY Entire laning phase Example Such game impact

Leona + vayne vs Draven + janna

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