What would Yasuo do if he didn't have windwall?

Guy Fox Teemo·Jan 10, 2016·5 votes·631 views

Nothing, he'd be fucking useless. Why? Because if he doesn't have that bit of utility, then he's complete shit if he's not ultra fed. And provides nothing for a team. He needs it for defense he's a squishy melee character (second lowest base stats in the game). Who relys on AA's to kill people, if you were to take away Wind wall, you'd need to give him something else he could use to provide for his team when behind, while also being defensive.

If you can find another thematically correct defensive ability that provides utility as well for his team. For a melee squishy assassin. Then I'll gladly hear you out. (it also has to fit with the rest of his kit)

P.S. Don't Just spam Yasuo main in the comments, that contributes nothing towards the conversation :D

22 Comments

Maple CrusaderJan 10, 20163 votes

Wind wall which doesn't last as long and has a small hitbox.

Guy Fox TeemoJan 10, 20162 votes

That's just a nerf? Where are you going to compensate Yasuo? More damage ?

RespectPlusJan 10, 20166 votes

he doesn't deserve a compensation

Maple CrusaderJan 11, 20162 votes

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That's just a nerf? Where are you going to compensate Yasuo? More damage ?

Compensation? How about reverts to his nerfed base stats?

Princess EmmaJan 10, 20163 votes

Riot would probably give him a larger shield that doubles as a spell shield and tenacity.

Guy Fox TeemoJan 10, 20162 votes

Well what would you give him? He doesn't need huge defense like anther shield on top if his already passive shield (riot doesn't give 2 shields to champions ) Think of another wind ability that fits with his kit and provides utility for his team (big utility) or it can be used for his personal defense I needed

CrossetteJan 10, 20162 votes

riot doesn't give 2 shields to champions

Lux

FantasySniperJan 10, 20163 votes

Wind Wall is a bullshit ability. Negating 100% of projectiles? At least Braum takes some damage from it and his kit designed for protection, not DEALING FUCK-TONS OF DAMAGE WITH IMPUNITY.

Wind Blast: Immediate Range - Cooldown: 18 / 16.5 / 15 / 13.5 / 12

Yasuo swipes his sword at incredible speeds, causing a blasting screen of wind covering 300 / 350 / 400 / 450 / 500 units for 0.75 seconds that deals 25 / 35 / 45 / 55 / 65 (+5% AD) physical damage every swipe. How many times he swipes is determined by twice his attack speed. (Minimum of 1 swipe every 0.15 seconds at 2.5 times per second.) Yasuo will block any enemy projectile that attempts to cross this screen of wind.

Now he makes the choice of using it for damage or having to save it to block an important spell. I even lowered the CD to support the fact that it's blocking for much less time and is also one of his basic sources of damage. It should go without saying that some of the other damage in his kit will have to be reduced slightly.

Guy Fox TeemoJan 10, 20162 votes

And who says I can't use that ability for both damage and a spell ? It's not one way or the other, you just adding more bullying to his already somewhat oppressive lane phase. It would be much easier to snowball BUT on tr other hand if he didn't snowball , Yasuo would be COMPLETE shit, like literally do nothing , because blocking one spell and a having a easily dodge able knock up that needs to be stacked. Isn't much utility.

FantasySniperJan 10, 20162 votes

If you can use it for both, good on you, it's just another skill-indexing in his kit.

Yasuo is feed or famine because of his reliance on his Wind Wall and crit passive. It's impossible to balance a champion around massive power spikes and immunity to ranged champions.

TyroneWatermelonJan 10, 20162 votes

A healthy and balanced ability instead of Windwall. P.s-he doesn't have the the 2nd lowest base stats in the game,he is probably half in the list. He also got extended aa.

Guy Fox TeemoJan 10, 20163 votes

Lowest base stats in terms of defense (he's at the bottom next to anivia) and also if your not going to provide a solution then don't complain

TyroneWatermelonJan 11, 20161 votes

Your lies are so sad. Many champions got lower base stats than yasuo,and e is no near to anivia. Some examples:Azir,Vel'koz,Zyra,Katarina,etc. Yasuo's base hp regen is toward the highest in the game. The only reason yasuo got such good stats for the broken low skill kit in his possession is no mr per lv for some reason(probably windwall since who needs me when you can block your entire enemy's kit

RogueWillJan 11, 20162 votes

Under that logic MasterYi also needs a windwall. He is a squishy melee, AD carry that relies on AA to kill enemies. He provides nothing for his team defensively wether behind or ahead. Give master Yi a windwall!

Guy Fox TeemoJan 11, 20163 votes

He still provides a lot of damage, just for being Yi, whether behind or not. Yasuo doesn't :l. Yi is a ball of Stats

TyroneWatermelonJan 11, 20161 votes

Yi got an attack speed reliant kit with true damage,while Yasuo got DOUBLED crit chance,extended aa and 50% bonus armor pen which is more than a lord dominik's regards can provide. Combine both and you enemies got no bonus armor.

RogueWillJan 11, 20161 votes

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He still provides a lot of damage, just for being Yi, whether behind or not. Yasuo doesn't :l. Yi is a ball of Stats

LOL. That post made me laugh, Yi behind is completely useless and provides no damage or utility whatsoever. Why do you think he spends the first 20 min of the game farming non-stop?

Phoenix Kotori Jan 11, 20161 votes

Yi is a melee carry that's why he has a massive heal & damage reduction & resets, Yasou does not.

Melee carries depend on some powerful defensive skill that takes proper timing to function

Tryndamere ult/heal Fiora Riposte MasterYi Mediate Yasuo windwall

RogueWillJan 11, 20161 votes

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Yi is a melee carry that's why he has a massive heal & damage reduction & resets, Yasou does not.

Melee carries depend on some powerful defensive skill that takes proper timing to function

ult/heal Riposte Mediate windwall

really? Yasuo has his shield every 5 sec or so plus he doesn't need the resets considering that besides his Windwall all his abilities has ridiculously low CD that any reset would be redundant. Yi heal is not suited to be used midfight, is suited to recover some Hp after a figth/trade and abusing it will make him run out of mana. I'm not defending yi but if you want to make an argument please get your ideas straigth

Phoenix Kotori Jan 11, 20161 votes

Yasuo's shield is comparable to Tryndamere 's heal while the real power is another ability.

And Yi's heal is great to use mid fight it just takes more understand than wind wall or riposte since it can be broken.

Troy242621Jan 10, 20161 votes

If wind wall is such an iconic part of his kit, remove his critical hit passive, remove his armor negation on his ultimate and tweak his numbers to turn him into a high sustained damage bruiser with low burst damage. Then, buff his passive shield and tune some numbers so he isn't garbage.

Then, monitor him to see if he needs further buffs or not, and adjust him accordingly. This would be a healthier design than we have now, and emphasizes his wind samurai theme.

Because as of right now, he's designed to be a highly mobile tanky damage dealer with CC. Give one up and the others can be stronger, and he's less frustrating to play against because his kit actually has a meaningful hole in it that anyone can explpoir rather than a niche selection of point-click-cc-burst champions that Riot has taken a stance against.