Please, for the love of god, quote the whole balance change, not just part of it.

Marshbouy·Dec 6, 2017·96 votes·2,162 views

Time after time riot will nerf one part of a skill and buff another, but people will only quote half of the change. E.g. A graves buff is being rolled out that changes his smokescreen to a 70% slow, but cuts the duration to only 1/3 of it's prior duration. Lots of posts are being made that only talk about the 70% slow portion, but not the duration cutting portion. This heavily skews the discussion because it does not show the full picture.

Please stop doing this.

37 Comments

ResterDec 6, 201723 votes

I did see the 70% slow at first and thought "Holy crap that's busted" then when the change was clarified that the slow duration was changed from 1.5 to 0.5s it was pretty clear it was just meant as a quick escape or catch-up tool.

HungryAngry2SPPDec 6, 20171 votes

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I did see the 70% slow at first and thought "Holy crap that's busted" then when the change was clarified that the slow duration was changed from 1.5 to 0.5s it was pretty clear it was just meant as a quick escape or catch-up tool.

Hahaha, so useless :D

LordGeovanniDec 6, 20171 votes

except that he doesnt need help with any of those things maybe if his range wasnt just better than rakans range and maybe just as long that could be justified. Marksmen are supposed to have other classes do that for them and that is supposed to be their weakness

Z3SleeperDec 7, 20171 votes

Except it's worse at sticking or keeping targets slowed. It lost 2/3rds of its duration. Its usability shifted--it wasn't buffed or nerfed.

Also Graves is hardly a Marksman anymore. He's more akin to Urgot except less tanky and more bursty.

WaffIeMakerDec 7, 20171 votes

graves range isn't very far you're on some shits fam

LordGeovanniDec 8, 20171 votes

And caitlyn's range also isnt far if you compare it to a real sniper. Everything in context

TehNACHODec 6, 201721 votes

But...it's the boards? I thought we're all supposed to lie to each other when it comes to balance?

MarshbouyDec 7, 20171 votes

painfully accurate.

Edge of DaybreakDec 6, 201711 votes

If people didnt post misinformation for upvotes we wouldnt have much going on in this section of the boards anymore.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 6, 20173 votes

it wasn't misinformation.

CowseedDec 6, 20175 votes

Kind of is because the info is delivered in this way making it sound like a flat out buff.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 6, 20171 votes

information wasn't complete when they make their statement

Poonanie PirateDec 6, 20176 votes

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BlackieHammerDec 6, 20177 votes

Uhhhhhh, how is she busted?

kattzkittiDec 6, 20176 votes

She's a vicious pubstomper, so naturally the lower end of the skill spectrum will complain about her. Yi suffered it for years... I'm still not sure why nobody complains about him anymore since his kit is even stronger now.

SpecterVonBarenDec 6, 20178 votes

Pick Yi jungle, pick Kayle top, pick Morgana support. Prepare to unleash hell on the enemy team.

DuskDaUmbreonDec 6, 20171 votes

You forgot the Yasuo mid.

NoblewindDec 7, 20171 votes

She's like old Leblanc from what I've seen so far. Basically can destroy games especially at lower elos but falls off a cliff. As the game goes late she struggles with no AOE and difficult access to back lines.

GelsominoKillerDec 7, 20171 votes

She's actually an extremely hard to play champion that is starting to tear through higher elos... I don't really know how she is a pubstomper

DuskDaUmbreonDec 6, 20172 votes

More importantly, how is this even related?

TerozuDec 6, 20171 votes

She just got nerfed, to- fuckin- day. Wait for it to play out maybe?

ThèRedBaronDec 7, 20172 votes

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meanwhile zoe STILL BUSTED

If you are good enough on her mechanically to pull of her combos, you deserve to do a lot of damage.

TrikzterzArmaDec 7, 20171 votes

Well it isn't especially hard to play her

ThèRedBaronDec 30, 20171 votes

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Well it isn't especially hard to play her

It's difficult to play her WELL. Most Zoe players miss everything, (because its not that easy) and then they are completely useless in fights.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 6, 20173 votes

Time after time riot will nerf one part of a skill and buff another, but people will only quote half of the change. E.g. A graves buff is being rolled out that changes his smokescreen to a 70% slow, but cuts the duration to only 1/3 of it's prior duration. Lots of posts are being made that only talk about the 70% slow portion, but not the duration cutting portion. This heavily skews the discussion because it does not show the full picture. Please stop doing this.

Cause at this time the 0,5 duration wasnt listed

Smitty ManjensenDec 6, 20177 votes

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E.g. A graves buff is being rolled out that changes his smokescreen to a 70% slow, but cuts the duration to only 1/3 of it's prior duration. Lots of posts are being made that only talk about the 70% slow portion, but not the duration cutting portion. This heavily skews the discussion because it does not show the full picture. Please stop doing this.

Cause at this time the 0,5 duration wasnt listed

Then maybe wait until the guys at surrender at 20 say the post isn't WiP anymore, and not immediately go to the boards to cry.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 6, 20172 votes

lel, u say this like riot never do sht on balance thing and dumb choice. And its because of this, people think they're able to do some sht like this

Smitty ManjensenDec 6, 20174 votes

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lel, u say this like riot never do sht on balance thing and dumb choice. And its because of this, people think they're able to do some sht like this

No, I don't, I say this because literally the post said it was work in progress, people didn't wait and immediately went to the forums. You wait for the post to be finished and then go complain if those changes were the only thing there.

SkorchDec 7, 20173 votes

HA. telling people not to push their agenda. Good one.

General Esdeath Dec 6, 20171 votes

I'm still angery about it because I like the idea of him forcing you to reposition because you can't see him.

Sire HippingtonDec 6, 20171 votes

Thing is, the duration refreshes as long as your in it, and with a 70% slow, you'll be in it quite some time without dash, which is alot more powerfull given that only the slow sticks some extra time after leaveing the aoe while the nearsight debuff only is applied while you're in the aoe.

TotalJerkDec 6, 20171 votes

They're doing it on purpose, you know.

MarshbouyDec 7, 20171 votes

I am fully aware.