Any reason we're ignoring this?
Considering Zed has worse stats than Janna across the board
Edit: Please, can we quit pretending Janna isn't frustrating to play against lol, you are pretty much removed from the game if you're a melee champ vs a janna unless you're insanely mobile
GigglesO58 votesAny reason we're ignoring this?
Considering Zed has worse stats than Janna across the board
repeat after me
"noone cares about supports"
Heckin Support9 votesrepeat after me
"noone cares about supports"
Unless they're played in other lanes, they whip out that nerf hammer!
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YCitizenSnipsY3 votesLuLu competitively viable for two straight years in a lane that she wasn't even made to go in. Man I wish my favorite champions could get the nerf hammer.
LordBahamutXVI2 votes*two lanes always that flex lulu top against some melee laner who thinks he's good
63536895_DEL23 votesIt's because Janna's ult completely shuts down all of the real bullshit in the game right now, and for a few magical seconds make us feel like we're back in early season 5 :D
stealthfox946 votesYeah except early s5 wasn't balanced at all. But Janna is.
Slamurai Jack19 votesJanna doesn't kill you so people don't care. You can be as OP as you want so long as you can't 1v1 people.
ReshiKillim2 votesJanna can kite a full HP Tryndamere to death, just so you know. 'w'
Aeolian Melodies13 votesJanna can kite a full HP Tryndamere to death, just so you know. 'w'
That is if he's the kind of retarded player who chases Janna from his inhib to hers.
Ligerzz9 voteshttps://youtu.be/W0diLUy56Is?t=6m18s
If you wanna see it, let me show you :)
doombotMECHA2 votesthat tryn's rage really was endless.
hi hi its zy zy13 votesIt's because Janna counters a lot of the popular champions and is relatively easy to play. 
She's one of the only checks to these champions aside from Lulu so we really do need her to survive their bullshit. If we nerf some of these champions then we can talk about Janna nerfs lol
TotalJerk10 votesThis is said in every meta. I'm starting to wonder if Janna just counters League of Legends.
iamleburk3 votescould say the same for morg
doombotMECHA2 votesnah mate, morg actually does damage.
hi hi its zy zy4 votesYou have to keep in mind that some champions are just safe picks. A safe pick that isn't mechanically challenging is going to have a high winrate unless they're underpowered (see the times Sona had a sub 50% winrate). She can't CC you unless you're within 500 units of her (her Q will be outsped if you're more than 500 units away as it doesn't travel far until it is charged, her W is short range). She doesn't do damage. She just peels. She doesn't sustain like Soraka, she just keeps enemies away.
Ulquiorra9952 votesA thousand times this. When Riot actually starts balancing insanely mobile and bursty champions like Zed, Lee or Fiora then we can talk about bringing down few counters we have left for them.
Dyonas10 votesWin rate rarely means much. LeBlanc, when she had her silence and more burst was only around 47% win rate. Do you want her back to that state?
YCitizenSnipsY3 votesWhat about that win rate combined with the 22% play rate. You realize that's now better than Zed, Lux, and Ahri who people on the boards have been complaining about non stop?
Dyonas3 votesWhat about that win rate combined with the 22% play rate. You realize that's now better than Zed, Lux, and Ahri who people on the boards have been complaining about non stop?
Oh! Now I know what you mean. I remember so many times I've had Janna solo me under tower with her burst after poking me safely from distance and farming with a stupid passive. I've also had her use her ult from over a screen away to chunk / kill with about a 40s cooldown or been snared by her charm and true damage burst.
Janna enables others to do damage but in herself she is not 'OP'. She has cc that can be avoided mostly and is more balanced than a lot of others.
She gives a shield that is worse than Lux, Lulu or Morgana. She gives a move speed buff that only works in a small area when you're moving towards her. She has a delayed knockup that can charge and go for a longer range. It's a pain sometimes but there are far worse and less telegraphed moves. Her ult - she can heal in an area and knock you back with the initial bit of it. The way most supports build it doesn't heal massive amounts and I've seen it used mostly to disengage.
YCitizenSnipsY2 votes"Oh! Now I know what you mean. I remember so many times I've had Janna solo me under tower with her burst after poking me safely from distance and farming with a stupid passive. I've also had her use her ult from over a screen away to chunk / kill with about a 40s cooldown or been snared by her charm and true damage burst."
You're right she doesn't do any of that yet still wins more often while being picked more as well. What a mystery wonder how that could be. None of the other supports you mentioned have comparable stats in the slightest. Wonder why its only here out of the whole support class with over a 20% play rate and still maintains a 54% win rate, real challenging puzzle here.
Dyonas1 votesYou're right she doesn't do any of that yet still wins more often while being picked more as well. What a mystery wonder how that could be. None of the other supports you mentioned have comparable stats in the slightest. Wonder why its only here out of the whole support class with over a 20% play rate and still maintains a 54% win rate, real challenging puzzle here.
Perhaps you should ask Riot why they leave other supports in a weaker state in comparison or perhaps, and call me crazy here, perhaps it's just that she works well with a wide variety of ADC whereas others are more situational?
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesReally? The ole this champ is not strong its just every other champ from that class is weak defense.
No your right, a champion like Janna make specifically for peel is more of a generalist than some one like Nami, Sona, or Lulu. That's why none of them who have synergy with any adc are close to Janna right now who specializes in peel.
Were done here.
Dyonas1 votesReally? The ole this champ is not strong its just every other champ from that class is weak defense.
No your right, a champion like Janna make specifically for peel is more of a generalist than some one like Nami, Sona, or Lulu. That's why none of them who have synergy with any adc are close to Janna right now who specializes in peel.
Were done here.
If you want to give up so easily I can see why you don't like Janna. I'm sorry that she spoils your "must kill everyone easily or the champ is OP" party but ... no, I'm not sorry. I'm sick of the state of the game where everyone can tower dive and basically walk away because they may as well be tanking a cannon minion. If Janna shuts down crap like that then good. You're done here? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesLol at you thinking that last part was clever. Cringeworthy bruh, stay away form witty its not your strong suit.
P. S. Janna is still a problem, that's why she is in a league of her own. No matter much you deny it, try to derail the point or just insert your own personal bias. The numbers speak for themselves.
Anidan2 votesJanna doesn't simply counter all-ins, she counters League of Legends. Say what we want about champions like Morgana support that really took off in S4 (it was used before then, but she was primarily used as a mid lane teamfight mage before that phase) or Sona, but Janna seems to be more problematic over time than any other support in the game.
Well, I say problematic, what I mean is that she's a safe and effective pick more often than any other support. If you're in a highly defensive meta? You can pick her because she's a very defensive support. You're in a very offensive meta? You can pick her because she can provide your more offensive teammates a defense option so strong it doesn't require strong offense of its own. You're in a pick-off meta? Janna is a strong pick there, too, as a peel for squishies. Big siege meta? Janna is strong there to break off attempts to engage by the team being siege, or to help engage on the team sieging. Teamfight meta? She can help to effectively reset what would be a lost teamfight with a well-timed ult.
She's always effective in a way that very few other supports are, so she almost always has a strong standing in terms of statistics. Her defensive options are so strong that she doesn't need strong offense - that's how amazing her defense capabilities are, which give her a lot of options to picking into teams in a game that can revolve quite heavily around defense like this game.
Dyonas1 votesLol at you thinking that last part was clever. Cringeworthy bruh, stay away form witty its not your strong suit.
P. S. Janna is still a problem, that's why she is in a league of her own. No matter much you deny it, try to derail the point or just insert your own personal bias. The numbers speak for themselves.
Oh, I thought you were done? Can't resist trying to prove the impossible. Enjoy your delusions and all the fun, happy thoughts they bring you.
P. S. You're not writing a letter. P. P. S. I'm still right.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesLook I get you're so upset about being wrong that you've had to resort to name calling, but if you're going to please at least be good at it. The only thing insulting there was the attempt.
Also yeah Janna is kinda of a problem.
Dyonas1 votesLook I get you're so upset about being wrong that you've had to resort to name calling, but if you're going to please at least be good at it. The only thing insulting there was the attempt.
Also yeah Janna is kinda of a problem.
I called you a name? OK, still right though. Janna must really make your life hell so I'm really glad she is how she is now.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesYes you've tried to insult me the last two post, very poorly, but you tried.
Janna doesn't make my life a living hell, I just love hypocrites like you defending an obviously over powered champion in a league of her own. Those stats wouldn't be ok for any jungler, top, mid, or adc.
Dyonas1 votesYes you've tried to insult me the last two post, very poorly, but you tried.
Janna doesn't make my life a living hell, I just love hypocrites like you defending an obviously over powered champion in a league of her own. Those stats wouldn't be ok for any jungler, top, mid, or adc.
Very poorly? That sounds like me.
I'd only be a hypocrite if I was 'defending an obviously over powered champion' while playing another. She is disengage and in rare cases engage. Considering that this game is pretty much all about burst and mobility right now I'm glad she exists. She offers what no other support does but is also very squishy if you get onto her. That might not be easy but the same can be said about catching Lee Sin or any other number of champions with disengage.
You say the stats wouldn't be ok for a jungler etc but if she was any of those positions her kit wouldn't make sense. She isn't any of those and can't do any noticeable damage on her own. She is a support that enables an ADC and can disengage well but any real dedicated gank will kill her and / or the ADC. If your problem is that you can't turret dive and kill then escape then that's a good thing because it's too easy to do that right now and has been for a while.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesSo let me get this straight just so I understand you.
You don't think a champion that is head and shoulders above every other champion in their role is a problem. A champion who is right now one of the highest performing champions in the game is ok because she is a support?
Last time I checked Lulu does a pretty damn similar job to Janna in utility and punishing dives, yet its amazing how she isn't prospering in this meta as a support. Its almost like Janna is currently out of line, and those stats shouldn't be acceptable just because she is a support.
Dyonas1 votesSo let me get this straight just so I understand you.
You don't think a champion that is head and shoulders above every other champion in their role is a problem. A champion who is right now one of the highest performing champions in the game is ok because she is a support?
Last time I checked Lulu does a pretty damn similar job to Janna in utility and punishing dives, yet its amazing how she isn't prospering in this meta as a support. Its almost like Janna is currently out of line, and those stats shouldn't be acceptable just because she is a support.
Yep!
Aeolian Melodies1 votesYes you've tried to insult me the last two post, very poorly, but you tried.
Janna doesn't make my life a living hell, I just love hypocrites like you defending an obviously over powered champion in a league of her own. Those stats wouldn't be ok for any jungler, top, mid, or adc.
Because any jungler, mid, top, or adc with these stats would likely be wrecking everything on their own and feel extremely unfair to play against.
Janna's lack of significant damage +- lack of engage potential (when your best engage is to burn Flash and your strongest disengage spell... that says a lot) means that she is focused on being a good team player. Janna is only as good as her ability to work with her teammates (and vice versa), which makes her more fair to play against, and allows Riot to leave her in a stronger state than many other supports.
Janna, unlike many other champions who are top tier or have been top tier in the past, is not stomping you, is not oppressing you, and is not making you feel like it's gg because she won her lane. She has clear highs (peeling, buffing an AD ally, cock-blocking engages) and clear lows (squishy, no poke, no sustain outside of the ult that is generally best used for something else than strictly healing, channeled ult). She is very strong against engage champions and people who rely on dashes for their mobility, and very weak against poking champions and champions who blink and/or who can hard CC from afar. Champions with very low CD dashes are annoying too, because of her own CD on Q.
Janna likes:
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EvilMerodach9 votesProbably because people don't realize good supports for what they are. Like 10/3/5 Jinx killing your whole team. Enemy team: OMG JINX SO OP NERF PLZ Ally team: our adc > your adc
...ignoring that Jinx isn't even really OP...or the person playing her is not even that amazing....but she has a 1/0/18 
Janna sitting back there shielding her perfectly and Q/R/
'ing that Zed that's tried to dive/ulti her 5 times now...
But lowbie's think it's the adc doing the damage..so it must be the adc that's good/OP.
CreationFlaw5 votesProbably because people don't realize good supports for what they are. Like 10/3/5 Jinx killing your whole team. Enemy team: OMG JINX SO OP NERF PLZ Ally team: our adc > your adc
...ignoring that Jinx isn't even really OP...or the person playing her is not even that amazing....but she has a 1/0/18
But lowbie's think it's the adc doing the damage..so it must be the adc that's good/OP.
Man, it sure is hard perfectly r'ing any assassin away from a squishy as Janna >_>
Taryn17 votesAlmost as hard as perfectly r'ing to get to any squishy as Zed amiright?
Catastrop3 votesI'm annoyed that this got downvoted because it's actually true.
Robbit Mang8 votesits because janna is only a big deal in high elo. Nobody really gives a shit about her in low elo (gold and below i guess, maybe lower plat too). as a low elo player myself im basing this off of stuff ive heard streamers say
resumed6 votesif janna dies before 20 mins report for feeding
Ariel the Cruel17 votesif Janna dies, report for feeding
fixed.
Aeolian Melodies6 votesShe's a specialist. She does one job and she does it well, as opposed to other champions that will not be named and who can do many things very well. She's not out of line.
Moreover, Janna's popularity is not really surprising in a meta where 
is good, where the ADC that are strong are ADC she works well with, the supports she does poorly against are largely unpicked, and where what she does (protect a target at all cost) becomes increasingly powerful as Riot really, really does not want to let assassins fall out of flavor for more than 2 patches straight.
A Miss Fortune4 votesI think many people are fine with Janna's balance state because she's a massive counter to a lot of overpowered and toxic champions, which most likely contributes to her having the best support stats in the game.
commit an hero3 votesAssassin Meta/Heavy Bursting Janna Cockblocks Assassins Gets high win-rate because of this
Why is this surprising?
Bladerunner77772 votesJanna keeps the assassins away
pls let me have fun playing this game
Supreme Senpai692 votesSupports can't 1v5 the enemy team. They might be able to 1v1 the enemy support.
Janna sets up kills for her team and has epic disengage, but in the end, she's only as good as her team.
Pyrokineticmage1 votesYou're comparing a support champion to a mid lane carry champion. Should never do that.
Also the skill floor for Janna is much lower for Janna than Zed. Janna may have better stats but I don't see any people picking Janna mid into Zed mid.
Never compare apples to wood. Doesn't make sense.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesSo what other supports even come close to those stats that janna has right now? Since you know a support boasting those kind of stats is apparently not a big deal.
Pyrokineticmage1 votesSo what other supports even come close to those stats that janna has right now? Since you know a support boasting those kind of stats is apparently not a big deal.
Again Janna has a lower skill floor so her doing well overall shouldn't be a big surprise. In fact her win rate currently is only 54% which is 2% higher than Sona and Blitzcrank who are relatively in the same skill level.
It's not that big of an issue.
Now if we had a high skill floor champion with a good win rate (like Vayne) then we have an issue. When a champion that is difficult to master is doing well in all ranks it shows that this champion is op.
