Poppy's Q Should Cost More Mana Than It Does

Stephenizgod·Mar 14, 2016·3 votes·394 views

Kind of annoying that it not only deals a ton of damage with a slow but also costs her absolutely nothing to use. What most Poppy's do is spam it off CD every time you go in to farm, you can't even retaliate because its damage is huge if you get hit by both parts plus her Passive shields her. Laning against Poppy is frustrating because most of the time she is tankier than you and deals far more damage. You look at the end-game stats and she has just as much if not more than most of the carries on the team, plus taking as much damage as two tanks because of how ridiculously hard it is to kill her.

However the only issue I have with all of that is she can deal so much damage for so little cost, its bad enough you just take the first Q hit for free since you need to farm. I think it should cost a normal amount of mana, perhaps just make it 50 at all ranks?

7 Comments

TheDeviceMar 15, 20162 votes

Its also her only farming ability. She'd have no way to farm otherwise. I don't like where your logic is at.

My issue is other tanks are gated by Mana because, while they don't deal much burst, they can survive long enough to get their damage off and multiple times with little risk to themselves... So in order to stop them from spamming, they have higher mana costs and longer CD's.

Darius Decimate - Cost: 30/35/40/45/50 Mana - COOLDOWN: 9 / 8 / 7 / 6 / 5

Poppy Hammer Shock - Cost: 35/40/45/50/55 Mana - COOLDOWN: 9 / 8 / 7 / 6 / 5

And you want to complain about poppy? Poppy's Q is easier to dodge than darius' Q plus darius' Q heals himself off every champion hit and has better range.

Srsly? On top of that you play Malphite... One of the most banned champions this season. I mean really

StephenizgodMar 15, 20161 votes

Darius and Poppy are two different champions with two different roles. Darius is more of a Fighter/Bruiser Juggernaut and Poppy is more of a Tanky CC Juggernaut. Darius isn't very tanky and his Q is the only way he can stay in fights, he has no built in tank nor any way to engage unless they are already within range of him. Poppy is more focused on Tank and CC, her primary goal is to engage and CC them for her team, she has built in Tankiness.

There is no way to dodge Poppy's Q unless she misses it, its instant and has a fairly large radius. Darius has a 0.75 second windup that is telegraphed giving you enough time back off most of the time. Plus you can move towards him and reduce its damage even further.

Thanks for the stats but you forgot to put that they also do a similar amount of damage...

Decimate deals 40/70/100/130/160 +100/110/120/130/140% AD. This is halved if he doesn't hit you with the blade part. It has a range of 425.

Hammer Shock deals 40/65/90/115/140 +80% AD +6% of targets max hp. It also slows for 20/25/30/35/40%. This is doubled if both parts hit you and it has a range of 430.

So Poppy and Darius have two different goals in how they fight, Poppy supposedly more focused on Tank and Darius more focused on Damage. Poppy however is excelling at both Damage and Tankiness for almost literally no cost.

Who i play doesn't matter nor is it even relevant, i could be playing literally any melee champ and have the same issue. Poppy is able to deal a massive amount of damage while retaining her extreme tankiness. She can do this for very little cost early game.

Edit: Also she can farm with AA's like everybody else... Malphite and Maokai both use abilities to farm and both their farming abilities cost more and deal less damage than Poppy's Q.

TheDeviceMar 15, 20162 votes

Holy mother of god.

This is a gem, really. Lets start with this

Darius isn't very tanky...

Have you played league of legends before? Have you ever played against a darius? I've never seen this statement before. Not ever. I am in complete awe...

he has no built in tank...

item 3742 item 3053 item 3071 item 3065 item 3083 This is called a tanky build. Even pure tanks can build this build and be effective. The issue here with your statement is that Darius actually does build "in tank" and still excels in damage. Here is the source: Champion.gg

Swap out Warmogs and DMP for Iceborn and Sunfire and you pretty much have poppy's build.

There is no way to dodge Poppy's Q unless she misses it

Makes no sense. Its a skill shot that has a second delayed hit. The first hit might be difficult to escape if you dont have a dash but you're actually able to walk out of the second hit.

That statement could apply to all sorts of skills if you just factor out the enemy's kit

Thanks for the stats but you forgot to put that they also do a similar amount of damage...

Actually bringing that up is worse for you argument. They do similar damage yet darius can heal off his and is an AOE... and costs less.

...nor any way to engage unless they are already within range of him.

I dont know what this means. You can say the same for poppy?

Poppy is more focused on Tank and CC, her primary goal is to engage and CC them for her team, she has built in Tankiness

No. Thats the role of a pure tank, which poppy is not. Garen has built in tank... so? Garen can build full tank and do incredible amounts of damage. He just has no hard cc.

Darius also has better base stats lol.

DARIUS HEALTH 582 – 2282 POPPY HEALTH 540 – 2070

DARIUS ARMOR 29.9 – 97.9 POPPY ARMOR 29.0 – 88.5

Your issue is her CC? Only her Ultimate is a disengage CC.. Do you know what her ultimate does? Its cc, yes... but it doesn't perform like Malphites ultimate or Nautilus' ultimate. When she CC's someone, its not to "CC them for her team" because the people she CC's are not even in the fight anymore. Look at the actual details of her kit if you dont want to make comparisons.

Poppy supposedly more focused on Tank and Darius more focused on Damage

Yeah. This is why their Q's deal the same damage... YET darius also has an Execute for an ultimate that resets per kill, damaging slow, and has a multi-hit pull along with built-in armor penetration. This is also shown by Darius haveing a 6.72 kill average while Poppy has a 5.56 kill average even though poppy also builds Juggernaut. She is not a pure tank lol. Shes not. Im sorry. She has less kill potential than darius or even Garen but brings more cc.

But you are concerned about her damage output. I already got that covered for you.

THE ONLY REASON Poppy deals so much damage is she has a %health ability on a low cooldown Q. This isn't demolishing everyone in the game (as shown by her average kills per game). This is however spiking her overall damage output when faced with champions like Malphite who build mostly tank and health. Or vs Mundo's or even vs a Darius. You don't look at the whole picture. You only see "total damage dealt" at the end of the game and think poppy is broken because her harass has %health damage. Her spike in damage is caused by her harass in lane vs tanky enemies, which in s6, if you're not fiora, you're probably a tank... or adc lol

What you want, is for poppy to deal pure tank damage while also having conditional CC and a disengage ultimate? She would be useless. But thats what you want.

StephenizgodMar 15, 20161 votes

Darius builds tanky, he is not inherently tanky.

Exactly she either misses it or it hits you, you can not dodge the first part of her Q, it is instant.

No it helps my case, Poppy's Q does more damage and has more range than Darius' Q...

Poppy has her E to engage, it has a 525 and knocks them back 300 range.

Garen is a Damage Tank not a CC tank, similar to Darius, but Darius is more focused on Damage which is why he has damage steroids and the ability to reset his ult.

Darius has better stats because they expect you to be building damage first not health like on Poppy.

I don't care about her CC, I don't really care about her damage either, yes she is frustrating to fight against because she deals a ton of damage and is damn near impossible to kill. My only issue is her Q's Mana Costs are too low, it creates a situation where she can spam it for no cost without going OOM. I have played Poppy and i have played against her multiple times, that Q is too easy to spam. It deals a lot of damage+utility, it should have a Mana cost more in line with other Top Laners. She can out sustain other top laners because she can spam Q.

StephenizgodMar 14, 20161 votes

I don't personally think this is an outrageous suggestion, but if its not a good idea can you tell me why?

Zane ZephyrMar 14, 20161 votes

Try laning against a Shen and see how much more fun it is.

Poppy also does fairly decent against melee like I'm pretty sure she's supposed to. I don't think she has the best starting mana pool either so it'll quickly eat up her mana if she's trying to hit you with it every time you go to farm.

StephenizgodMar 14, 20162 votes

Laning against Shen is hard until level 6, his level 6 does not offer a powerspike whereas, depending on your champion, you will hit one. So just wait until then or push while he TPs to another lane.

My issue is other tanks are gated by Mana because, while they don't deal much burst, they can survive long enough to get their damage off and multiple times with little risk to themselves. So in order to stop them from spamming, they have higher mana costs and longer CD's. Poppy does not have this problem, her Q costs 35 at level 1 and 55 at level 5 which is ridiculously low at all stages of the game for its Utility and Damage. Poppy is much too tanky to be a Juggernaut and deals far too much Damage to be a Tank, she is just too overtuned to be either of those and yet she is both. Malphite is also suppose to be strong against Melee but he is gated by Mana and his burst is low unlike Poppy.