How do you even play against Tryndamere

datfatguy·Sep 29, 2019·53 votes·17,009 views

Seriously even at level 1 this champion is a pain to vs because of the stupid RNG in his fury mechanic which allows him to kill you in 3 auto attacks before minions even spawn. Then once he gets there isn't much you can do because this item synergises ridiculously well with this champion and makes sure his E is never on cooldown ever again. And don't even get me started on his late game where his Ult is up whenever he tries to splitpush or a teamfight breaks out and he just kills everyone in 3 attacks before you can really do much about it.

Seriously Riot everyone is sick of this RNG mess called Tryndamere nerf him please

133 Comments

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 201924 votes

One game an enemy Trynda flamed me cos i went with: Teemo + item 3047 item 3075 With Grasp and atk speed plus double armor...

Sure with this build yiu shut him down, but you are in your team's hands at 100%.

Seeing him raging in chat cos he could not even trade with me was worth the effort :P

BitterFeetFungusSep 29, 20193 votes

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RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 201914 votes

q doesn't last enough to tank E and his autos. If you build full ap he can still one shot you with crits once blind is gone. With this build i could really negate him with everything xD

BitterFeetFungusSep 29, 20191 votes

if he uses onto you just Q him and put a shroom under him while he tries to auto you then run away when his ass is slowed down not that hard

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20198 votes

Like a good trynda just sits on your mush and doesn't slow you down first with his w :/ I'm not saying full ap is not good vs him, but he can still kill you especially if you are on cd.

BitterFeetFungusSep 29, 20191 votes

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RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 201911 votes

I mean, i just suggested a build that really worked for me and shut him down. It's not illegal...

Idk what are you trying to do here, but playing against trynda...what type of "outplay" should be involved? The only way to stop him are itemization and cc (but cc works for everybody so...). His "outplay" potential is...crit chance. I dont see any active skill use here...

BitterFeetFungusSep 29, 20192 votes

item 3143 counters him harder

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20199 votes

For what it does yeah, but it's a terrible early item and doesn't do anything about trynda's sustain. item 3076 is much better.

RagnaveilSep 29, 20191 votes

Sadly that item doesnt do much either. If it ain't stopping Fiora from ending tanks or damage dealers who buy it, then idk how thats gonna stop trynd lol.

Z3SIeeperSep 30, 20192 votes

Bramble is actually super useful vs Fiora in super early laning. Stumps her game plan of poke/sustain by removing the sustain portion. If you're playing anyone that can trade with her Q pokes anyway.

Post-6 yeah it's not doing too much. Still helps a little.

As for Tryndamere it doesn't do anything really. All he has to do is not use Q until GW wears off.

Hi im 12Sep 29, 20191 votes

so you picked a no impact champion and went full no impact build, you're the definition of "not playing to win rather just to not lose". well you aren't gonna be climbing any time soon and you're also the reason top lane is in sucha shit spot lmao

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20191 votes

enemy team was full of ad/autoattacckers...so they could not harm me but i could.

I don't get all this aggressive answers. Top is a lane where fighting should be done in specific moments, it's not like "me see enemy, me fight" cos it depends a lot...matchup, range, wave managment.

Fighting is not an obligated choice, especially if u dont have an advantage.

Playing defensive/stall is not a crime either. If i see my team is doing good, why i can't support it with my cc and bulk instead of building full dmg and being popped like an air baloon?

Some of you seem really obsessed with this "insta-perma fighting" playstyle. Ut could be good for assassins and stuff, but don't we have already enough damage? Can we spear at least top lane? Let me play what i want with the champ i want geez...if i can shut down an hypercarry like trynda and we win its super fine for me!

Hi im 12Sep 29, 20191 votes

Fighting is not an obligated choice, especially if u dont have an advantage.

in fucking gold it is if you're actually trying to improve, and you absolutely have the advantage against trynda as teemo.

Playing defensive/stall is not a crime either. If i see my team is doing good, why i can't support it with my cc and bulk instead of building full dmg and being popped like an air baloon?

because you should be trying to get better and play matchups correctly instead of going "oh my team will carry me".

Let me play what i want with the champ i want

I mean you're free to do whatever you want but you're having a negative impact on top lane as a whole and your own climb.

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20193 votes

not feeding is enough for me. I play matchups in the way i want. And i already told you negating kills and snowballs is important as taking killls, or almost at least. It works in my games so...

And btw, it's a team game. You can't carry 1v5 unless you have a reaaaaaly huge feed or enemy is inting. Teamates carry each other at end even if they don't go 15/0 every game

Hi im 12Sep 29, 20191 votes

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RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20191 votes

Ofc the rank shaming. I expected no less since your arguments were a little bit messy, so you're trying something else.

Sorry to contradict you but most of my games are in support. The lane that i recently left cos i deranked from P1 to G3 playing that this season. I'm actually fine and recently finally win some games cos i finally left support and went to top.

Ty for rank shaming but try again.

Hi im 12Sep 29, 20191 votes

its not rank shaming its stating a fact that you're currently an average player with a negative wr, everything that mentions someone's rank isn't automatically rank shaming.

The lane that i recently left cos i deranked from P1 to G3 playing that this season.

I'm curious to know how tf this happened but it does explain your mindset though.

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20191 votes

mostly top laners going 0/6 or worse.

And btw you wanted to prove that my tactic in top was making me lose by op.gging me but sadly u were wrong...already told you why.

Maybe you cant see why some games aren't even 1v9 winnable cos u don't play support often...

Idk what mindset are you referring but i repeat... i play what i want, how i want if it is worth for my games.

Hi im 12Sep 29, 20191 votes

you wanted to prove that my tactic in top was making me lose by op.gging me but sadly u were wrong...already told you why.

well uhhh ... I mean your top lane winrate in soloQ is 44,3% so I don't really see how I'm wrong, even though its understandable to have a negative wr while playing a new role but technically I'm still right. https://i.gyazo.com/2f6a079826055fb8f299146918fbbcc7.png

Maybe you cant see why some games aren't even 1v9 winnable cos u don't play support often...

I mean I have played a decent amount of support and its easier to carry as supp than it is as a top laner, this might be because I pretty much only played brand and pyke as a support though.

RebeccaUCuberSep 29, 20191 votes

that stat was like 41% before i started playing top regularly. I just played some random games at top without knowing what i was doing.

Pyke is broken. It's permabanned for a reason. He's designed to do pentas...and brand is also a burst AoE mage ofc you can carry with dmg dealers.. i mained enchanters, a totallu different deal if top and mid go 0/8 combined in 12 minutes.

Btw i got in the discussion even if its really OT and not constructive or useful for the OP's post.

So you should stop op.gging me and focus on the original subject, that is not my performance in soloq.

Hi im 12Sep 29, 20191 votes

your performance in soloQ is quite relevant when you try to give OP tips on how to deal with something that you yourself fail at dealing with.

BugzspraySep 30, 20192 votes

It doesn't matter if you are correct in what you are saying, you were very aggressive from the beginning for no good reason. Also how is a player using a not so great teemo build the reason top lane is shit? This makes no sense (as you can easily kill the teemo) and you are also generalizing when you say 'people like you'. Being a really good player at the game does not give you the right to act condescending to others even if you are correct in what you say. Keep the conversation friendly and "toxic free" .

RebeccaUCuberSep 30, 20192 votes

Ty, i was trying to focus on the OP's subject trying to bring a chill conversation...guess i failed :/

Horse GrenadesSep 30, 20192 votes

I have no idea what you did to upset these neckbeards on the EU server LMAO

Z3SIeeperSep 30, 20193 votes

Not trying to justify the aggressive tone he's set, but I agree with what he said about "playing to not lose". One of the many reasons top lane is so cancer right now is due to "stonewall" top laners. These are people who essentially aren't playing to win lane but rather playing to keep the enemy from being useful.

It's far from the only reason, but it adds to the issue. It's not as bad as the pre-nerf ranged lane bullies that bullied you in lane and outscaled you though (Viktor, Neeko, Jayce... but Kennen still does it...).

Right now the meta is basically centered around bot lane once again, with honorable mention to mid lane. The top lane role is essentially to flip a coin and see if you win. If you win the coinflip, you stonewall lane cuz there's no reason to take any risks when you can just win off your team while denying the enemy top laner any opportunity to play League of Legends. On the losing coinflip, you try your best to break through the stonewall (extremely hard).

With that in mind, the most frustrating thing is when you lose the coinflip and you're playing against a champion who picked and built specifically to stonewall before the results of the coinflip were even decided. Such that if you lost the coinflip you're just screwed. It's one of the reasons top laners hated tank meta as well.

This isn't to say you're not a bad person for playing a pure stonewall strat. Do what you gotta do to win. I just wish we had more relevancy in top lane so we weren't stonewalling each other based on whether or not our bot lane won.

BugzspraySep 30, 20191 votes

Agreed with everything you said to be honest. I would also add Vayne to your list of ranged bullies who outscale you (it sucks playing immobile melee champions and facing a Vayne top).

A lot of my wins and losses in ranked feel like they are mostly determined by whose botlane got fed. I hope they change this next season. And, while I like tanks, I do not want a tank meta again (Im a fairly new player so I didn't experience it but I've read about it). In fact, I don't like "metas". All classes and positions should be as equally balanced as possible.

Also champions with mobility are generally more powerful I believe. Yes you (over)buff immobile champions but that still isn't the same and is only a band aid fix. But Im going off-topic.

RebeccaUCuberOct 1, 20192 votes

well i dont play teemo like this every time. Just wanted to try it in that situation!

I think that if the damage in game wasn't so high, ppl would try to trade more...no need for stonewalling then.

Z3SIeeperSep 30, 20193 votes

Tbh though I think you can definitely opt to not go Thornmail. I see Teemos carrying in high elo all the time. He's quite nasty right now.

I don't know anything about the Tryndamere matchup for him though. But definitely check out some high elo Teemos for it. I'm sure there's some strat they've come up with. Teemo actually has a high winrate vs Tryndamere right now.

In any case, do whatever works for you bud.

FioraWillCarrySep 29, 201918 votes

A ban is his only counter.

KiwiFlavor ZiggsSep 29, 20196 votes

You duel him as normal and then hope he doesn't get crits and if he doesn't you win and win game. If he does, then you lose and he wins the game. Not much else to do except ban.

MihalikbSep 29, 20195 votes

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You duel him as normal and then hope he doesn't get crits and if he doesn't you win and win game. If he does, then you lose and he wins the game. Not much else to do except ban.

Except he can go 0/8 but once he completes 2 items he can just start split pushing and melt every tower/drake in 3 seconds cuz reasons.

KiwiFlavor ZiggsOct 1, 20191 votes

Yup. Basically thats step 2: Also win before he gets 2 items or lose. Rioto's flow chart for champs these days are very simple lol

Jesi OniSep 29, 20196 votes

My idea is... Tristana!

You are ranged - he is melee
He spins to you - you jump away
He ults - you ult (knockback)

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

JanakinSep 29, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZH8KeIkq,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-29T12:40:04.896+0000)

My idea is... Tristana!

You are ranged - he is melee

He spins to you - you jump away

He ults - you ult (knockback)

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

4.. He W - you item 3140

KabotSep 29, 20194 votes

But why should we force a Tristana top just for one champ. There should be inconsistency in a champ so that if your good enough you could atleast match even.

Darkdemon653Sep 29, 20195 votes

All-in him when he uses his Q.

IllabetheSep 29, 20195 votes

You have to be able to create distance when he ults. If you can't you're dead. On top of that, having some form of hard CC is generally advised.

Games with Morgana work a lot better vs Tryn, because she can both zone him up close AND far away, with Q and R, and she can negate his E, which basically makes him a feeder when he's diving some 1v3. Zyra and Neeko work too, but not as effective.

420 gramsSep 29, 20194 votes

Play Jax and press E when he right clicks you

Handy Sandy Sep 29, 20193 votes

you don't. don't 1v1 him unless you're fiora, jax, or yi or something like that. group up with your team and take stuff. then the way to play vs him is like against any other splitpusher, send someone to just waveclear/3 man gank him or something.

5050BSSep 29, 20193 votes

I pick Teemo vs Him. Kled is my next pick.

But ya Tryn is a Fossil of a champ and needs a complete rework

Minimac2000Sep 29, 20193 votes

He hard counters my champion Uhh uhh uhh I mean... just cc him bro

14daysuspensionkSep 29, 20193 votes

You cut off his right arm.

AlterMordredSep 29, 20193 votes

https://streamable.com/k6sic

Tryndamere outplays me hard :)

Literally only has a dorans blade and is lvl 4, 5 crits in 6 autos.

35% chance :)))))

Neptunia xoxoSep 29, 20192 votes

{quoted}

https://streamable.com/k6sic

Tryndamere outplays me hard :)

Literally only has a dorans blade and is lvl 4, 5 crits in 6 autos.

35% chance :)))))

Honestly i'm very unsure as to why you even took that fight in the first place... Yeah Trynd is dumb but man that was such a terrible all in from you lol.

AlterMordredSep 29, 20195 votes

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Honestly i'm very unsure as to why you even took that fight in the first place... Yeah Trynd is dumb but man that was such a terrible all in from you lol.

You high? I barely lost that fight, he crit 5 out of 6 autos and I barely lost. That was a garuanteed win if he actually crit 35% of the time

ORB1TSSep 30, 20192 votes

item 3075 item 3076 item 3123 item 3047 item 3143

ZaFishboneSep 30, 20192 votes

CC, as well as just forcing him to use R, then stepping back until it runs out.

pro crastinat0rSep 30, 20192 votes

Understand what his strengths are (dueling an split pushing) and what his weakness are (team fights). To beat him either do what he does better (example pick Jax, outplay him, out split push him) or punish his weaknesses (pick a hard engage champ like kled and force 5v4s while he is split pushing, and take objectives when you win fights). If he gets to pick after you and it’s a bad matchup? Don’t try to kill him 1v1. He is melee and very kite able. Play safe and look for opportunities to impact other parts of the map just like in any bad matchup.

He is really a poorly designed champ and is usually a liability to his own team unless he manages to get mega fed or if the opponent doesn’t deal with his split push well.

If you are having a lot of trouble with him, spam some games on him and watch the replays particularly of your losses/bad games to see what your opponents did to shut you down, and try to do the same things in your own games.