Tristana is an actual disgrace to this game

datfatguy·Mar 3, 2018·116 votes·7,693 views

Ranged assassin who jumps in and jumps out. Knocks you back an insane distance when you try to engage on her.

Fun.

184 Comments

MarshbouyMar 3, 201861 votes

I just want her to get those fucking resets removed.

It's so bullshit.

"LMAO I'ma jump under tower, kill you, then jump out with my get out of jail free card, even though you hit me with a CC spell"

341123545652Mar 3, 201851 votes

And people who defend her are a disgrace to integrity and honesty

AirKingNeoMar 3, 201847 votes

So are people who make circlejerk threads without substance.

Tomoe GozenMar 3, 20185 votes

Tristana is fine and was fine, until she became a staple Marksman. That's not a reason to call for her kit to be reworked. The difference is the numbers, range and resets most probably. Which means with proper fine tuning and most certainly, Marksman work for 8.10 (i believe) is going to change things around quite a bit.

Bears Dont CareMar 3, 201818 votes

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And people who defend her are a disgrace to integrity and honesty

Yeah...how dare people have a different interpretation than you regarding a subjective matter. They're all heathens I say...heathens!

https://i.imgur.com/Pp4MV32.gif

PURGE THEM!

P4ppinoMar 3, 201824 votes

Nice "post". 1 and a half sentence. Way to go boards.

datfatguyMar 3, 20188 votes

Just summing her up. Would have typed up an essay but I don't think anyone would have bothered to read it.

P4ppinoMar 3, 20189 votes

Fair enough. It's still lazy though.

datfatguyMar 3, 20185 votes

Would argue but you're telling the truth

Karn BishopMar 3, 201821 votes

We assassin mains tried to protect you from this but when the lynch mobs came for us and we asked for help nobody responded to us and instead attacked and mocked without realizing that they were killing the only hope to stop the fire nation.

Rumors still say you can hear the ghost of eve and Leblanc screaming in pain in the jungles of summoners rift, crying for help we now know will never come.

NineTailedMysticMar 3, 20187 votes

I'll take Trist over Assassins, thanks.

AirKingNeoMar 3, 201810 votes

I don't.

NineTailedMysticMar 3, 20182 votes

I mean, I don't lane against Trist typically so I'm bias :^)

341123545652Mar 3, 20185 votes

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I mean, I don't lane against Trist typically so I'm bias :^)

yea you play whats probably one of the most toxic, safe, and easy mid laners to ever play against.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 3, 20182 votes

Ziggs?

TequilaZombieMar 3, 20184 votes

Hey, at least he only has one mobility spell that doubles as his only source of hard CC, unlike some other mages that like to dash around

SolitairMar 3, 20182 votes

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We assassin mains tried to protect you from this but when the lynch mobs came for us and we asked for help nobody responded to us and instead attacked and mocked without realizing that they were killing the only hope to stop the fire nation.

Rumors still say you can hear the ghost of eve and Leblanc screaming in pain in the jungles of summoners rift, crying for help we now know will never come.

The assassin fantasy is to do this exact same thing except melee or melee-ish. I'm with the crowd that doesn't like champions that counter counterplay--whether they are ranged or melee. I don't miss you.

TyroneWatermelonMar 3, 20184 votes

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We assassin mains tried to protect you from this but when the lynch mobs came for us and we asked for help nobody responded to us and instead attacked and mocked without realizing that they were killing the only hope to stop the fire nation.

Rumors still say you can hear the ghost of eve and Leblanc screaming in pain in the jungles of summoners rift, crying for help we now know will never come.

you edgy assassin mains aren't any better. you had whole seasons of which abominations like pre rework fizz, pre rework kassadin, pre rework zed, pre rework akali and pre rework talon dominated the rift

FlameHalbrdOkidoMar 3, 201820 votes

Riot needs to decide on her gameplay theme, super safe marksman, or high dmg dealing marksmen

she can't be both

SõnaMar 3, 201816 votes

They should remove her W reset on "assist/kill". Killing sounds okay but even assist reset W, what a nonsense adc

AIIanMar 3, 20187 votes

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They should remove her W reset on "assist/kill". Killing sounds okay but even assist reset W, what a nonsense adc

Yeah, no. Draven passive gold can already generates tensions with an offensive support, if getting the kill is the difference between Tristana gloriously escaping or miserably getting dogpiled by the ennemy team there'll be no end to the flame war.

Either get rid of it entirely or add a "within 3s of dealing damages" condition like Katarina's passive, but don't half-ass it.

Clockwork MouseMar 3, 201810 votes

No one uses to complain about Trist before she became meta. Boards just full of butt hurt players.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 3, 20182 votes

To be fair, becoming meta = much much higher playrate = her frustrating kit is exposed to us every single game.

She was always annoying, you just didn't see it a lot so it was whatever. Tristana in your game? Don't pick that assassin you were goin to. No biggie. But now it's like. Tristana and Janna every game. Can't play your champion that you like ... ever

FCJAAAAGOOOOMar 3, 20182 votes

It's not just her frustrating kit; it's her frustrating kit plus the buttload of extra %damage from keystones. It's literally only this season that has turned her into the monster that she currently is.

KarfussMar 4, 201810 votes

Tristana has been around forever and the core of her kit has been largely untouched, pre and post rework.

Let's have it right here. The issue isn't Tristana. She isn't the only self-peeling, dashing ADC. Her dash might be better than Vayne, but Vayne's E makes Trist's ult look second rate. Her E passive, shoved in her kit, is designed to cripple her early game when turret farming.

The problem is ADC itemisation. It's giving her wave clear, it's allowing her to rack her E, lifesteal is making her low base health irrelevant. This is true for most ADCs that ordinarily wouldn't be able to do so, or wouldn't be able to get away with the shenanigans they're pulling.

Yordle XayahMar 4, 20185 votes

Unfortunately, people don't care about the real issues with a character, rather if they're salty or not. But not much to be done there.

KlydeFrogMar 4, 20181 votes

Umm trist ult knocks everything back

KarfussMar 4, 20182 votes

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Umm trist ult knocks everything back

Which is extremely conditional in there being more than one target, surrounding the target you're using it on. And also on a far higher cooldown than Vayne's E. And also doesn't stun you with wall collision.

Additionally, it was beside the point, but you'll have a very hard time convincing me Vayne's E is somehow worse than Tristana's Ult. Point was: Tristana isn't the only self-peeling ADC.

KlydeFrogMar 4, 20181 votes

Umm does it still knock every one back ? Also it has damage . That is all

KarfussMar 4, 20183 votes

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Umm does it still knock every one back ? Also it has damage . That is all

What Tristana's are you playing against that are building spell pen? AP? The damage is negligible for its use. It has no kill potential outside lane, and a complete waste come a time you need it. And yes, it typically knocks back one person. Unless you're against an entire team of assassins and divers, in which case, have at it.

Vayne's E does damage and gives her those juicy W stacks. Lower cooldown. Not an ultimate. Stuns.

Another self-peeling ADC. Heaven forbid an ultimate knockback might have a tad more damage and range.

KlydeFrogMar 4, 20181 votes

Does it still do damage yep does it still knock back yep

KarfussMar 4, 20183 votes

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Does it still do damage yep does it still knock back yep

Then your argument applies to Vayne and Draven too.

Better gut them all instead of actually addressing the problem. Yep.

KlydeFrogMar 4, 20181 votes

Umm no because trist would kill both of them with the same items . And the issue Is as people said , only adc with attack speed steroid that has 0 cons and or conditions. The fact she has 2 self peels with one resets and the other has a low cd.

Yaśuo MainMar 4, 20182 votes

Umm no because trist would kill both of them with the same items

Draven will NOT lose to a Trist if Draven has 2 axes, and Vayne will win for sure if they are both 6 and In the river or in lane.

Alex h8721Mar 4, 20181 votes

except trist scales as she levels to have the 2nd most range in the game where as vayne is stuck with one of the lowest ranges for adcs.

KarfussMar 4, 20182 votes

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except trist scales as she levels to have the 2nd most range in the game where as vayne is stuck with one of the lowest ranges for adcs.

Now we're getting to apples and oranges. We're comparing their ability to self peel, which they both do. They might be two very different champions, but the point is that self-peeling isn't something unique to Trist. Hell, even Xayah, Caitlyn, Ezreal and Draven self peel, albeit not as effective as Vayne and Trist.

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Umm no because trist would kill both of them with the same items . And the issue Is as people said , only adc with attack speed steroid that has 0 cons and or conditions. The fact she has 2 self peels with one resets and the other has a low cd.

If by low cooldown, you mean 60 seconds at 40% CDR at rank 3. Go for it.

Tristana isn't the only one with an attack speed roid either. Nor does she have '0 cons and or conditions.' As I addressed in the post you largely ignored, itemisation is making those weaknesses non-existent. Tristana has an extremely weak early game, cannot farm under turret because of her E passive, low base health. That all changes when you throw Statikk Shiv and Overheal into the mix, giving ADCs waveclear and sustain where they shouldn't typically have it.

You're stuck in this mindset that "TRISTANA! IT MUST BE HER! SHE'S SO BROKEN GUT HER!" without even considering why that might be, and how her kit has existed forever and never been an issue until now. She is not alone in that. It's pretty much consensus that ADC itemisation is an issue, and Riot will be addressing it in the mid season patch. Think about it.

My Waifu VanillaMar 4, 20181 votes

Trist Ult will outdamage Vayne E at every stage of the game since Trist ult has a basically 1-1 AD ratio with a crit/on-hit multiplier since she is guaranteed an auto attack during your knockback. That being said, Trist ult at level 9 does technically speaking 300+1.0 total AD with a chance to crit+30+27% bonus ad for an additional stack of E due to the last auto attack. Vayne cannot auto during the knockback since that interaction was removed long ago and thus has to wait for you to actually MAYBE hit a wall for the spell to be worthwhile.

SalamencęMar 4, 20183 votes

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Trist Ult will outdamage Vayne E at every stage of the game since Trist ult has a basically 1-1 AD ratio with a crit/on-hit multiplier since she is guaranteed an auto attack during your knockback. That being said, Trist ult at level 9 does technically speaking 300+1.0 total AD with a chance to crit+30+27% bonus ad for an additional stack of E due to the last auto attack. Vayne cannot auto during the knockback since that interaction was removed long ago and thus has to wait for you to actually MAYBE hit a wall for the spell to be worthwhile.

Her ult scales off ap lmao dumb asf

AirKingNeoMar 3, 20189 votes

She isn't an assassin though.

hhaavviikkMar 3, 201811 votes

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She isn't an assassin though.

she might as well be with the ridiculous amount of damage ADC's can do come late game, I mean look at this clip:

https://clips.twitch.tv/CorrectShakingWasabiRuleFive

that was just xayah attacking leblanc and in the time it took for leblanc to burst someone as she had to wait for her proc she got taken out by xayah so clearly there is no difference here is there now? both waited for 1 and a half second and both took out a enemy from full health in that window of time

AirKingNeoMar 3, 20183 votes

But she isn't an assassin, so you didn't disprove me.

Mandalorian 117Mar 3, 20189 votes

What I hate the most about Tristana is that she actually looks like a fun time. But I can’t make myself do that to another human being.

Crede777Mar 3, 20189 votes

Tristana has been around forever and her kit, aside from the Marksmen rework, has been largely untouched.

She used to be a lower tier ADC. It's not really her kit, it's current itemization and meta which is the problem. Like Ryze and Garen, Trist is designed as a beginner-level champ so it's a problem when she is actually strong in the meta.

y0r1ckMar 3, 20182 votes

Why shouldn't beginner level champs be strong?

Crede777Mar 3, 20183 votes

Because the simplicity of their kits means that there is little room for error or counterplay. That means if they are strong they have clear benefits over other similarly strong champions who have greater room for error or counterplay.

y0r1ckMar 3, 20182 votes

Ok that makes sense but then you run into problems like how garen can't buy a win in high elo. How do you get around that, or do you let it lie?

Crede777Mar 3, 20183 votes

I think you let it lie with the understanding that players will graduate from Garen to other top landers if they like the role.

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 4, 20186 votes

Honestly she makes me scoff.

A long range ADC hypercarry? Yeah cool sure that's fine.

Does she at least have no waveclear? No? Her E clears waves FOR her?!

Okay well since she auto pushes does that make her susceptible to ganks? No? She has a jump!?

Okay well does pushing up the enemy make it hard for her to get kills? Wait she has a reset on her Jump ability?

Well then does this champion have a weak laning phase then?! Wait what do you mean her ultimate does 300 damage at rank 1!?

Smitty ManjensenMar 3, 20184 votes

Meanwhile we have Varus who's dominating everything, with a much higher win rate, and an extremely higher play rate than Tristana, but of course she's the problem.