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Qiyana is following Akali's design, and this is a BAD IDEA

D357R0Y3R··5 votes·2,615 views

an assassin's kit is a kit with high cd and high burst, not the fucking opposite

assassins are not skirmishers riot, why didn't you understand that? Akali having almost no cooldown, high DPS, low one-shot potential made her more a problem than it solved, her design makes it hard to balance her because if her burst is low then she needs reliable tools to survive like the smokescreen that shits on bruisers who usually have 0 aoe damage. It makes her go for runes like conqueror and duel bruisers rather than diving the backline to assassinate importante targets.

why i'm talking about this? because qyiana is just like akali, she doesn't have 100-0 power but can refresh Q cd, can refresh passive cd, and gets attack speed and on hit damage, are you serious? ASSASSINS ARE NOT CARRIES WHAT ARE YOU DOING.

Talon if talon goes in, and kills someone he's done for. he did his job and won't do anything anymore for like 10 sec, and even then he's just going to add some damage for his team. this is how assassins should work.

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kda akali2 votes

assassins are not skirmishers riot, why didn't you understand that?

riot probably wants assassins to be more like skirmishers, they are more popular than most champions and are very fun to play.

Akali having almost no cooldown, high DPS, low one-shot potential made her more a problem

Akali's Q cooldown is gated by her energy, W is about 20 seconds, E is about 16 seconds, R is 100 seconds.

if talon goes in, and kill someone he's done for. he did his job and won't do anything anymore for like 10 sec, and even then he's just going to add some damage for his team. this is how assassins should work.

This isn't fun for both players. Assassinating someone should be 100% the enemy is dead because you killed them and you are dead because you are in a bad position. There should be outplay potential for both sides. Akali's problem is she doesn't allow the other side to have a chance against her. She has too many ways to be safe. Qiyana doesn't have the same amount of survivability as Akali does. Her stealth is shorter, doesn't spread out like Akali's does, it lasts a very short time compared to Akali's. Qiyana also doesn't use stealth in the way that Akali does. Akali's stealth is mostly used to proc her Q-Passive auto combo. Qiyana doesn't really have something like that. Im expecting that her stealth is mostly going to be used for re positioning. QIyana's E being targeted also means that she has to commit to the fight or use her Q as an escape. Using Q with empowered grass as an escape means that she wastes her damage to get away.

Akali = High survivability, low burst, medium cc Qiyana = Medium survivability, medium burst, medium cc

On My Kill List3 votes

[{quoted}](name=kda akali,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZFvQqbiQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-12T00:18:17.853+0000)

riot probably wants assassins to be more like skirmishers, they are more popular than most champions and are very fun to play.

Akali's Q cooldown is gated by her energy, W is about 20 seconds, E is about 16 seconds, R is 100 seconds. this is how assassins should work.

This isn't fun for both players. Assassinating someone should be 100% the enemy is dead because you killed them and you are dead because you are in a bad position. There should be outplay potential for both sides. Akali's problem is she doesn't allow the other side to have a chance against her. She has too many ways to be safe. Qiyana doesn't have the same amount of survivability as Akali does. Her stealth is shorter, doesn't spread out like Akali's does, it lasts a very short time compared to Akali's. Qiyana also doesn't use stealth in the way that Akali does. Akali's stealth is mostly used to proc her Q-Passive auto combo. Qiyana doesn't really have something like that. Im expecting that her stealth is mostly going to be used for re positioning. QIyana's E being targeted also means that she has to commit to the fight or use her Q as an escape. Using Q with empowered grass as an escape means that she wastes her damage to get away.

Akali = High survivability, low burst, medium cc Qiyana = Medium survivability, medium burst, medium cc

qiyana's cc is actually pretty damn strong. her ult is basically a ranged gnar ult. while she doesn't have gnars w a good qiyana ult can basically win the game for you. i'd put her cc at high actually. and her q has almost no cooldown to begin with (like 3 second cd by itself alongside the 4.2 second w that refreshes it) so if she's even remotely near river she has an almost 0 cooldown snare + slow available. infact qiyana actually has pretty strong cc now that i think about it. ofc its situational cc but when its available she can basically chain cc. if you can have river enhanced q up before a fight WHILE being near river thats like 2 snares you can chain together since w's refreshing q cd and w has like 4.2 cd at 40% cdr so you'll definetly keep snaring them over and over. add in ult and thats a quiet a large amount of hardcc coming at you.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

[{quoted}](name=kda akali,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZFvQqbiQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-12T00:18:17.853+0000)

Akali's Q cooldown is gated by her energy, W is about 20 seconds, E is about 16 seconds, R is 100 seconds. this is how assassins should work.

Except that the high energy was before passive energy refound irrelevant once Q and W were lvl 5, she could still throw so much DPS if played right which is why there is such a huge gap between low elo akali players and high elo akali players.

On My Kill List2 votes

i do agree that qiyana is basically an ad version of akali with slightly less survivability but with tons of hard cc(situationally) and lower cooldowns and stronger autos.

Fízz v21 votes

Yeah, I feel like Qiyanas best build right now is Duskblade - Black Cleaver - Steraks - GA lol

Sukishoo1 votes

High CD? What? Her q, which is her main damage tool is a 5 seconds CD at rank one. Her W is also at a 7 seconds CD, that's not really that high. Her E is 12, that is a bit high but that's really the only one.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

where did I say that she had high cd? read the thread

the only thing I said about her Q is that she can reset its cd, never said it was high, I said that assassins should have high cd

Sukishoo2 votes

Actually I read it wrong but still you said

"an assassin's kit is a kit with high cd and high burst" that shouldn't be true about any assassin. They are there to burst people don't, shouldn't have a massively high CD or else they'd be useless.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

{quoted}

or else they'd be useless.

not really the point of taking an assassin over a melee carry, is that assassins are way more mobile and able to engage from long range to take down backline important targets.

if the assassins starts to dps around in a teamfight then the line between a carry and an assassin is severed and causes balance troubles

look at ekko and akali, think riot didn't have a rough time with them?

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