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Next 3 Juggernaut Updates need to be Dr. Mundo, Volibear and Trundle

Kingsgrave··3 votes·2,161 views

List of all current Juggernaut Characters according to Riot's definitions: Shyvana Olaf DrMundo Garen Darius Skarner Mordekaiser Nasus Trundle Udyr Volibear Yorick

They all lack clear strengths or reasons to bring them to a team over other characters and all have the exact same playstyles that warranted Morde/Garen/Darius/Skarner to get updated

Mundo and Volibear need to be more than just walking health stackers. Getting % Total AD ratios would really help give them actual build paths beyond just stacking health. Neither character is really a "Tank" since they bring no utility, they are just bruisers with no real offensive scaling so they are forced to stack health and resists.

Trundle didn't see any rise in power or popularity during the entirety of the tank meta because he brings nothing to a team. Sure he can steal resists and health, which is great and all, but he was still useless against the majority of tanks.

Volibear is the AS version of Garen in a lot of ways and I see no reason why he needs to keep Mana. You should be constantly worried about having to duel him, because scary lightning bear.

Trundle should be even more about territory control and pushing. Give him actual reasons to be picked other than "yeah he can steal like 20 AD from characters he can never reach and Ult 1 out of 3 tanks on a team"

Mundo should be the epitome of meat shield and be an ever present threat to everyone. He gets stronger the more you try to kill him. He is like the beefier version of Olaf. Olaf wants to scrap, Mundo wants to Mundo.

13 Comments

StuffedTurkey0071 votes

I would love a Mundo update.

LazerSquirrel1 votes

I agree, someone needs to update trundle. His kit is kind of boring atm. All you do is run up and hit enemy champions. The most excitement is when you pillar someone XD.

Prospector Pete1 votes

1 True Damage too op

Critmaster Garen1 votes

trundle is stong as fuck imo.

hes more of a counter bruiser bruiser with his ult. is there any fighter who can straight up 1v1 him when he ults? the new fiora maybe. but im thinking along the lines of other heavy fighters.

imo yorick is higher on the priority list.

nasus already does exactly what they turned the other 4 fighters into. come lategame hes a slow moving wall of death.

udyr and olaf still need help. shyvana is strong with devourer right now.

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I agree, someone needs to update trundle. His kit is kind of boring atm. All you do is run up and hit enemy champions. The most excitement is when you pillar someone XD.

yea, but dont underestimate this part. trundle loves fights in narrow corridors in the jungle, since he can separate the enemy team right down the middle. it can really mess with team coordination.

Kingsgrave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZAwUkEtr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-08-26T21:52:12.661+0000)

trundle is stong as fuck imo.

hes more of a counter bruiser bruiser with his ult. is there any fighter who can straight up 1v1 him when he ults? the new fiora maybe. but im thinking along the lines of other heavy fighters.

imo yorick is higher on the priority list.

nasus already does exactly what they turned the other 4 fighters into. come lategame hes a slow moving wall of death.

udyr and olaf still need help. shyvana is strong with devourer right now.

yea, but dont underestimate this part. trundle loves fights in narrow corridors in the jungle, since he can separate the enemy team right in the middle.

I still feel like Trundle is far too niche. That's the same reason they updated Garen/Darius/Skarner/Mordekaiser.

Oh you should never 1v1 him as a bruiser. Okay then just outright avoid him and you win. wow so simple.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I still feel like Trundle is far too niche. That's the same reason they updated Garen/Darius/Skarner/Mordekaiser.

Oh you should never 1v1 him as a bruiser. Okay then just outright avoid him and you win. wow so simple.

the only change i could see if the ice field also somehow would benefit his team. he would basically be a "we fight right here" kindof champion.

Kingsgrave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZAwUkEtr,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-08-26T22:04:43.454+0000)

the only change i could see if the ice field also somehow would benefit his team. he would basically be a "we fight right here" kindof champion.

I think the Juggernaut update would revolve around making his W and E more interesting in general but I don't think just outright giving him auras is the way to do it.

It would be pretty neat if all of his abilities had special effects on his W. It would solidify the idea of him being a Turf Fighter. "WELCOME TO TROLL TOWN"

Ferrous Oxide1 votes

I agree that they are all juggernauts however shyvanna doesn't need to be reworked she's pretty unique, I mean she turns into a dragon

Kingsgrave2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ferrous Oxide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZAwUkEtr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-26T21:58:32.968+0000)

I agree that they are all juggernauts however shyvanna doesn't need to be reworked she's pretty unique, I mean she turns into a dragon

Turning into a dragon that has no unique effects or abilities isn't really "unique"

Ferrous Oxide1 votes

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Turning into a dragon that has no unique effects or abilities isn't really "unique"

Oh you're right, I forgot about all the other champions that could turn into a dragon and don't forget about all the champions that use their ult to have enhanced version of their base abilities. If that's not unique than riot REALLY screwed up on this juggernaut patch because in terms of abilities and gameplay darius and garen are still basically the same champion, and skarner having crystal spires with no unique effects isn't really unique, I mean it's just a movespeed and attack speed steroid like so many other champions have.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

undyr might be interesting as a turret destroyer basically solidifying what he does now. farming until he 1v1s turrets.

Kingsgrave2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZAwUkEtr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-08-26T22:02:33.517+0000)

undyr might be interesting as a turret destroyer basically solidifying what he does now. farming until he 1v1s turrets.

I think that is Trundle's niche more than any other Juggernaut.

Udyr in my mind is the epitome of Duelist FIghter and counter engage.

Mr Sir Lebowski1 votes

Honestly I really don't want a Voli rework. His ult bounce range could use an increase which I think was being tested for 5.16 but looks like it didn't make the cut, perhaps a change to his passive scaling where at lvl 16 it is no longer effected by healing debuffs. Seems like a decent buff since by lvl 16 burst should be enough counter play to his passive and his damage output is not as scary at that point. The guy has a strong early game he just needs a little something to help his late game I think. His mana costs are perfect the way they are, he never runs out of mana except in very extended trades. Malphite could use this kind of mana cost fixing honestly because Volibear is a gold standard for this I think.

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