What is Pantheon's counterplay? (Serious thread)

Succubús GF·Apr 21, 2017·2 votes·1,664 views

I honestly dont understand how to play against him. He can literally spam q all day long and there is very little you can do about it. It doesnt cost a lot of mana, it is on a 4 second cooldown. It does a lot of damage. Especially if you are low already. I believe it is under 15% it crits automatically? Like what? Why? I dont understand how to lane against him/ He is also the number 1 top laner apparently. I asked a friend in gold who said he was like the main champion use to boost with because he is so "broken"? is this true in your opinion?

17 Comments

Mecha MaIphiteApr 21, 20172 votes

Afk under tower with a cloth for ~15 min and farm what you can. Spam ping missing when he leaves lane at full health.

EyeSlaeApr 21, 20172 votes

play darius

ME UNGA ME SMASHApr 21, 20171 votes

Starcraft243verApr 21, 20171 votes

He fall off in late, just farm safely and and dont die.

You can also all in him with duelists if he uses his spells to farm or if he is low mana.

Asayake 5150glowApr 21, 20171 votes

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He fall off in late, just farm safely and and dont die.

You can also all in him with duelists if he uses his spells to farm or if he is low mana.

A lot of duelists can also fight him if you have a cannon minion, it'll proc his passive for you.

WarpesApr 21, 20171 votes

Sustain, armor, playing safe... farming from a distance/under turret. Hes's very vulnerable to ganks and he falls off late.

If you're being poked out hard, just let the lane push towards you even if you miss farm. Better than him getting a bunch of kills - which, if he doesn't get, he's relatively weak for most of the rest of game. Not as weak as he used to be, but weak.

And as the first poster mentioned, once he runs out of or is low mana, which happens easily, he's basically completely useless. Try cloth 4 first, if you're really struggling in matchups against him.

lilpokflufApr 21, 20171 votes

Yes, pantheon is very good at punishing enemies that are a lower skill level than the pantheon. Is he broken though? No way. Pantheon sucks outside of lane especially if he can't get a lead, if he stomps your team and you were his opponent it's probably your fault. Play someone with sustain or good waveclear/poke. your last match you played riven against him and he is S1 so already a disadvantage, maybe you blind picked her into the match up but riven makes the match up a skill match up in his favor since you have to outplay him and he has to play normally. Either pick better champions to force him to be proactive or become a better riven player. Try Olaf, jarvin, mordekaiser. Those 3 are my usual picks into panth. Early armor and respecting level 3, even go so far as to just base and heal will go a long way to shutting down pantheon.

EschetonApr 21, 20171 votes

Singed , just run over him and laugh at his shield. Engage when your E is up. That spear is only annoying if you meekly wait for it's cooldown. Panth isn't very strong unless you let him poke you. Same as Teemo and other ranged champs. Just drive-by that fool till their dead.

SEKAIApr 21, 20171 votes

Judging by what you're saying, I'm assuming this is about lane-theon?

He is designed to be an early game bully, who is almost un-duel-able in early game, unless you have another lane bully. Otherwise if not, your own chance against his guy is either farming at the tower and roam, cheese 2v1 gank or you would have to squeeze your butt and hold on til much later.

Generally, he has an early game power spike, and it will spike again at 6 when he will start fly-ganking.

But all good things come to an end at some point, his power will decline over the game naturally. Assuming no significant feed, by the mid game he should really only be good at being a flying stun bot and a hunting dog who chases down lowered HP runaways, and he may also be seldom used as a backdoor'er but that's not too effective in general.

That said, it's for if you have to play around him. As mentioned, you can play with him by picking a duelist up against him in lane, assuming there's the drafting, and it makes handling him much easier.

If about jungle Pantheon tho, ward your lane openings, and keeps tab on his location after 6 and never over-commit because he will come down for your ass. That's really it.

He could be considered "broken" in a sense that games don't last long these days, which is good for him, but not that really because he is really broken innately.

/2cents

jinxedchefApr 21, 20171 votes

I don't know if there is any champ in the game that falls off harder than Panth. If he doesn't have 6 kill/assists by 12 mins, he basically lost the lane.

doubleguacApr 21, 20171 votes

Pantheon has high cooldowns and low-ish base stats.

His passive and his stun prevent you from immediately being able to fight back when he's dropping his combo on you.

You want to rush some armor, so you can survive his initial skill rotation (spear stun stab spear). After he's dropped his combo on you, don't let him walk away for free . Follow him and trade back damage while he's walking away.

Pantheon has no health sustain and high mana costs. If he can't quickly poke you out of lane, or kill you in one or two rotations, he's going to have a lot of trouble. Just outsustain him early, and take aggressive trades when his stuff is on CD.

Other squishy fighters will have a hard time in lane against him. But most tanky bruisers can win the lane without too much trouble by building armor early. If Pantheon can't burst you, he will probably lose the sustained duel.

Yorick Olaf are both good counterpicks IMO. They both have sustain, to help with spear spam. And they both can straight up murder pantheon in a sustained duel.

Sexy FioraApr 21, 20171 votes

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Asayake 5150glowApr 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexy Fiora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z7e01r8H,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-04-21T14:35:30.809+0000)

No counterplay. And unlike some people are saying that he falls of later, no he doesn't. He will still 1 shot your adc or mid at any point of the game. He has currently 57% winrate toplane. But Riot doesn't care. If their balance team were 1% as good as their music team then the game would be 100x better.

https://na.op.gg/champion/pantheon/statistics/top

You're biased, dude, Pantheon hard counters Fiora.

Sexy FioraApr 21, 20171 votes

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Asayake 5150glowApr 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexy Fiora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z7e01r8H,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-04-21T14:49:35.705+0000)

Riot needs to do a braincheck before allowing people like your to sign up.

Toxic much?

WalkingInACircleApr 21, 20171 votes

Start cloth/4, run him out of mana.

PyrotekNickApr 21, 20171 votes

May want to look into playing Nautilus against him, Naut builds tank anyway, and his shield is quite strong very early in the game. After first back, pantheon is relegated to a mild nuisance.