Garen brings minimal to no damage/utility/pressure or anything at all to a Team at any stage

Kingsgrave··1 votes·576 views

Other than liking Garen there is literally no reason to pick him over anyone else

On PBE they heavily fucked over his early and mid game just to slightly make his late late game better, by WHY!?

Nobody picks Garen for his late game. Nobody really even picks Garen.

Darius gets a heavy buff to his damage because that's the only real reason people picked him. That's the best type of buff you can give a Juggernaut style character, focus on what they are picked for. Garen got no focus, just some random forced mechanic he will never get a use out of.

I don't even really know why you pick Garen tbh. He has a little bit of everything but all at incredibly weak levels. He is the Krillin of Top Lane and you just made him even weaker.

His E is worse early to mid. His W is worse early to mid. His Q is worse. His R is slightly better late late but won't work in laning phase. I really don't understand why the Rioter who worked on him thinks it's going to make him 55% winrate instaban. It just doesn't make any logical sense. THEY GAVE HIM NOTHING to compensate. THEY GAVE HIM NOTHING to focus on why you would pick Garen.

Even the Morde/Skarner/Darius changes were better than these.

Darius got a massive focus on his damage, THE MAIN REASON HE WAS PICKED

Morde got a focus on his pushing and his elimination of ADCs

Skarner got a new niche of dueling + area control, something he sorta had but not 100%

All pretty successful except for numbers here and there, but overall GREAT CHANGES!!!

This is the most pointless rework I have ever seen Riot do. I just don't get it. Even the Olaf butchering a while back gave him some focus.

What makes Garen special compared to every other Bruiser and why would you want to pick him?

He doesn't die late game...Mundo/Volibear

He runs at people and disables them...Udyr/Volibear/Irelia/Xin

He is tanky...literally 20+ top laners

He spins for decent damage...Wukong/Darius

He has decent to high single target execution damage...Darius/Volibear

Is his power diving? Not really, compared to many others he dives at a mediocre level and this "rework" didn't help that.

His Q silence is far shorter, making diving harder.

His W doesn't reduce CC anymore, making diving harder.

His W lost late game increase in his Armor/MR gains, making diving harder.

His R mechanic is only useful against people who already dove his teammates and got a kill. It has no use in diving.

He is a jack of all trades, master of none with no power in any of them individually. He needed a full scale rework with replacements to several skills, not just number nerfs to everything except late game R and E.

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Tworie1 votes

Garen isn't really the type of champion who fights other fighters, he just kinda dives the enemy team and does his spin attack on soft targets while ignoring everything else with his damage reduction and then finishing off any weakened targets with his ult. y'know just an fyi

Kingsgrave1 votes

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Garen isn't really the type of champion who fights other fighters, he just kinda dives the enemy team and does his spin attack on soft targets while ignoring everything else with his damage reduction and then finishing off any weakened targets with his ult. y'know just an fyi

For a diver he is still pretty mediocre compared to others and he wasn't given any specific diving strengths.

His Q silence is far shorter, making diving harder.

His W doesn't reduce CC anymore, making diving harder.

His W lost late game increase in his Armor/MR gains, making diving harder.

His R mechanic is only useful against people who already dove his teammates and got a kill. It has no use in diving.

redniwediS1 votes

Sounds like you've been playing with tank Garen. Bruiser Garen is as tanky as Garen should get if he needs to do damage, which means at least two damage items. Fighter Garen, which I don't personally play, is very popular and is more what you're looking for. It's one champion with three different and distinct roles simply based on items, yet many people don't understand which one is useful in a given situation.

Make sure your opinion isn't based on people misunderstanding which type of Garen is actually needed in a given team composition.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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Sounds like you've been playing with tank Garen. Bruiser Garen is as tanky as Garen should get if he needs to do damage, which means at least two damage items. Fighter Garen, which I don't personally play, is very popular and is more what you're looking for. It's one champion with three different and distinct roles simply based on items, yet many people don't understand which one is useful in a given situation.

Make sure your opinion isn't based on people misunderstanding which type of Garen is actually needed in a given team composition.

Both are equally useless.

redniwediS1 votes

Your claim is provably false, and shows that you are here to complain rather than discuss.

Good day.

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