I love how people say Darius will be top pick after those buffs

DropFill·Mar 14, 2015·39 votes·2,875 views

So naive.

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YfrappefortMar 14, 201514 votes

He will not. His laning phase is unchanged, and I think people are still traumatized by release Darius. He really dunked anyone who dared set a foot in top lane.

People saying he will now get easy pentakill once he hit 16 is also false. They forget that Darius is a set-up champion. He need to put bleed stack on you in order to maximize his ultimate damage.

Unless extreme clean-up cases (like everyone at less then 10% HP), Darius won't be able to just come in a fight and dunk everyone easily (he could already do that anyway with his current ultimate "soft" reset). He will still have to choose a target, apply some bleed stacks, then try to execute him.

With that being said, it is still a buff to his late game, especially if he can get picks in the jungle before a team fight. I wish Garen ultimate could also receive some kind of buffs, since it's really underwhelming compared to other execute ultimates.

SlaaneshineMar 14, 20152 votes

Just a comment to Garen's ultimate: It's magic damage, so itemizing against it happens either by accident or not at all. At rank two it does absurd damage. At rank three you kill basically anyone under half health. It won't ever get a reset because then he'd SPACESWORD AWUOOSH entire teams off the face of the planet.

ColinFlyMar 15, 20151 votes

He said "some kind of buffs" which does not necessarily mean a partial (or full) reset on it if he kills someone. That would be pretty crazy tbh.

Really, the only thing his ult needs is a reduction on the cooldown which is absurd, and some QoL fixes like the ult not going off when an enemy enters the fog of war. That being said, a little more range on it wouldn't put him over the top. I mean he sticks his sword into the ground for a giant holy sword to smite somebody, makes sense.

Major SparklesMar 15, 20151 votes

Imagine if Garens Ult scaled. Hue.

ElJanitorFrankMar 15, 20152 votes

It scales with %rekt the enemy has stacked on them. (aka %missing health)

Major SparklesMar 15, 20151 votes

That isn't what I meant.

IcyPepperMar 15, 20151 votes

It won't ever get a reset because then he'd SPACESWORD AWUOOSH entire teams off the face of the planet.

but it's okay for SPACEAXE DUNK to do it :3

Yuki AkumaMar 14, 20154 votes

Anivia So Naive

Kitten of EvilMar 15, 20151 votes

Ironically, Anivia top beats him quite hard, as long as you don't get Apprehended.

Captain AishiMar 14, 20153 votes

i've heard a lot of people talk about the people talking about darius becoming strong.... but i have yet to hear people talk about darius becoming strong... feels odd somehow

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Mar 14, 20151 votes

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i've heard a lot of people talk about the people talking about darius becoming strong.... but i have yet to hear people talk about darius becoming strong... feels odd somehow

I've heard a lot of people talking about hearing a lot of people talking about the people talking about darius becoming strong.. ubt I have yet to hear people talking about hearing people talking about darius becoming strong... feels outrageous many how.

Solo Wing FenixMar 14, 20152 votes

As big of a Dar Dar fan I am. i will STILL be picking Scion or liss top and dunking all the fools that think that "buff" is enough to make him passable.

Troy242621Mar 14, 20152 votes

I always thought that Darius' concept was in conflict with his power curve. A resetting execute nuke? Gee, when is THAT useful? Against multiple enemies, IE. not laning but mid/late game? So why is his power curve an early game bully?

I always felt he should'v been weak early game but scale well. But, that's just me.

Irelia BotMar 14, 20151 votes

I am not expection him to become a top pick anytime soon but it might happen if every top that is more popular then him keeps getting nerfs for being on the top.

DropFillMar 14, 20159 votes

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I am not expection him to become a top pick anytime soon but it might happen if every top that is more popular then him keeps getting nerfs for being on the top.

They just need to nerf all ranged top laners, all junglers so he doesn't get ganked. Them he will be popular

KING OF MASKSMar 14, 20151 votes

He might get a brief FOTM surge of popularity, but that's about it.

RisurinMar 14, 20151 votes

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He might get a brief FOTM surge of popularity, but that's about it.

probably the same one we got after dunkmaster darius. Then people will realise its still the same champion with the same issues

Guy Fox TeemoMar 14, 20151 votes

I know but it'd be so fun to Dunk people so constantly ;-; Gotta make use out of the DunkMaster Darius Skin

BastionKrossMar 14, 20151 votes

The buffs don't fix his ability to lose a significant portion of his damage come late game and not have enough utility to make up for that loss.

A Miss FortuneMar 14, 20151 votes

I love how people don't think he's already a good, balanced champion on the edge of being overpowered. So far every game I've been in with the buffed Darius, he has gotten fed and basically carried. Even before them most Darius' I saw were carrying their/our team.

Darius is a DUELIST and a major LANING champion. Do not complain because he can't team fight or roam the best. If Riot buffed Darius to be able to team fight very well, then R.I.P anyone who is up against him. That's like saying "Fiora is really strong at dueling but she's not that great in team fighting without her ultimate and only can focus on one target. So we're going to buff her so that her Q and W can do AoE damage.". This would be broken and overpowered since Fiora is a duelist, just like Darius. Also to remind you that Darius will counter Fiora in lane despite Fiora being accounted as overwhelmingly broken by many people. Darius also is an extremely difficult match up against most other melee champions due to him becoming more tanky than most duelists like Fiora, and also having his passive + ability to keep you in his range on top of having an execute. Making him a hard counter to most melee champions with exceptions like Diana who can become fairly durable with her shields.

tl;dr Every champion should have strengths and weaknesses, because some champions fall off on some aspects of the game doesn't mean it's appropriate to buff them, if so then there would be no diversity in powers and capabilities.

DropFillMar 14, 20151 votes

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I love how people don't think he's already a good, balanced champion on the edge of being overpowered. So far every game I've been in with the buffed Darius, he has gotten fed and basically carried. Even before them most Darius' I saw were carrying their/our team.

Darius is a DUELIST and a major LANING champion. Do not complain because he can't team fight or roam the best. If Riot buffed Darius to be able to team fight very well, then R.I.P anyone who is up against him. That's like saying "Fiora is really strong at dueling but she's not that great in team fighting without her ultimate and only can focus on one target. So we're going to buff her so that her Q and W can do AoE damage.". This would be broken and overpowered since Fiora is a duelist, just like Darius. Also to remind you that Darius will counter Fiora in lane despite Fiora being accounted as overwhelmingly broken by many people. Darius also is an extremely difficult match up against most other melee champions due to him becoming more tanky than most duelists like Fiora, and also having his passive + ability to keep you in his range on top of having an execute. Making him a hard counter to most melee champions with exceptions like Diana who can become fairly durable with her shields.

tl;dr Every champion should have strengths and weaknesses, because some champions fall off on some aspects of the game doesn't mean it's appropriate to buff them, if so then there would be no diversity in powers and capabilities.

A single ninja tabi destroys fiora already, so I don't know how people can cry about her. I even think she needs buffs, because riven does everything fiora does better. Darius is a duelist, yes, but he loses a duel to a lot of champions, like Renekton.

A Miss FortuneMar 14, 20151 votes

Renekton is a tank and does typically win lane, like I said there's a few people who can counter Darius though I'm going to get downvoted for not saying "omg buff darieus cuz he has 0 skill shots and is ez mode top lane but cant carry gooder than feeora"

A powerful duelist who wins lane and also can become tanky very easily with no real skillshots doesn't need to be buffed for anything.

5 Stacks GGMar 14, 20152 votes

look at this guy thinking he knows which champion need what lol

and Darius does need that change

JariMar 14, 20151 votes

Personally I just don't want to deal with him. I'll admit it would help his late game, but personally I just don't want it to be free. Maybe it could go 100/75/50 instead? That way he'd still need mana, he can keep his reset, and it's not free true damage.

DropFillMar 14, 20151 votes

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** it's not free true damage.**

Irelia Also with sustain!

IcyPepperMar 14, 20152 votes

Pretty sure her true damage requires mana, has a cap of 60 per aa, and still requires aa.

You see the animation, and you knock her up so she can't make the best out of it.

DropFillMar 14, 20152 votes

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Pretty sure her true damage requires mana, has a cap of 60 per aa, and still requires aa.

You see the animation, and you knock her up so she can't make the best out of it.

Knock darius up too on the ult animation, that shit has a stupid long animation

JariMar 14, 20152 votes

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Also with sustain!

Darius does it on one swoop, does more, has scaling, resets on kill, and has 460 range compared to Irellia's auto attack. Again just a mana cost at 16 isn't going to butcher it.

5 Stacks GGMar 14, 20152 votes

darius doesn't do it in one swoop, he need to put bleed on them for it to do damage just stop the complaining it's really annoying

JariMar 14, 20151 votes

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darius doesn't do it in one swoop, he need to put bleed on them for it to do damage just stop the complaining it's really annoying

I meant if we look at it with just one action, Darius's just does more and it'll be for completely free with some extra compared to Irellia. I know he needs to apply his passive, but honestly he doesn't need to get ALL 5 on there in order to kill somebody with it. A quick Q W auto reset and you easily have 2-3 stacks. I just feel as though he shouldn't just walk in with no mana and still be able to do it.

Or look at it like this. I COULD be crying about it completely refreshing. I'm not, I just don't think a free use of it is needed. It can lower in cost, just not freebie. Might make him have to hold his mana a bit is all.

DropFillMar 14, 20151 votes

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I meant if we look at it with just one action, Darius's just does more and it'll be for completely free with some extra compared to Irellia. I know he needs to apply his passive**, but honestly he doesn't need to get ALL 5 on there in order to kill somebody with it**. A quick Q W auto reset and you easily have 2-3 stacks. I just feel as though he shouldn't just walk in with no mana and still be able to do it.

Or look at it like this. I COULD be crying about it completely refreshing. I'm not, I just don't think a free use of it is needed. It can lower in cost, just not freebie. Might make him have to hold his mana a bit is all.

Actually....he does need. Full ad darius is easy to kill. AD/tank darius does need to apply 5 stacks, since he does pitiful damage , his ult scaling is terrible

JariMar 14, 20151 votes

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Actually....he does need. Full ad darius is easy to kill. AD/tank darius does need to apply 5 stacks, since he does pitiful damage , his ult scaling is terrible

This boost is for his team fighting, which if he's getting 5 stacks off, his time probably isn't doing anything anyways as by then the target would be getting pretty low.

5 Stacks GGMar 14, 20151 votes

his late game already suck as is with all the mobility and cc. meddler said himself that Darius is already gated by his low mobility and that he doesn't need to be gated by mana or cd so they buffing it late game, I think it's exactly what Darius need. why can't you be happy for us the few Darius players ?

JariMar 15, 20151 votes

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his late game already suck as is with all the mobility and cc. meddler said himself that Darius is already gated by his low mobility and that he doesn't need to be gated by mana or cd so they buffing it late game, I think it's exactly what Darius need. why can't you be happy for us the few Darius players ?

I'm just saying a mana cost would be fine. I'm not even demanding it to stay at 100. I know this won't make him flavor of the month and I know this won't make him broken. I just don't think completely free true damage should be there. It just means even if he blindly uses up all of his mana then he can just walk in right after a fight and clean up with R over and over.

WhereTheNamesAtMar 15, 20151 votes

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darius doesn't do it in one swoop, he need to put bleed on them for it to do damage just stop the complaining it's really annoying

the complaining will stop when you stop making threads about Darius

DropFillMar 14, 20152 votes

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Darius does it on one swoop, does more, has scaling, resets on kill, and has 460 range compared to Irellia's auto attack. Again just a mana cost at 16 isn't going to butcher it.

Irelia W has scaling : it's called atk speed. Resets only on kills, which is not easy to get as darius. 460 of range but a shit long cast time. Irelia has ways to stick to her target in a much easier way than darius

Kitten of EvilMar 15, 20151 votes

I certainly hope so! I'll just enjoy free wins as Quinn

Samflash3Mar 15, 20151 votes

Relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpe-JoGyPsY

futuresight23Mar 15, 20151 votes

Either the buffs won't be enough to make him a top pick or Darius gets nerfed before or as he becomes a top pick because there are many people that are still traumatized by release Darius.

Lemons22Mar 15, 20151 votes

I think the changes are pretty fucking scary late game because if Darius is somehow able to get a pick, kill with his ult, then you have a 4v5 and Darius still has ult because it straight up RESET. That's cool.

Honestly I play Darius from time to time and my motto is "win lane, lose game". I can usually stomp my lane, but when it comes to teamfighting Darius is just too squishy and kiteable to do much. This change doesn't help with that so I think he is left with the same core problems. I'll still happily take any buff to the dunkmaster though.