Popular opinion: ADCs should not be viable in other lanes

Śhunpo·2/9/2020, 9:33:48 AM·25 votes·3,546 views

When anything that isn't an ADC is picked bot lane ADC players revolt and demand buffs and all that. Yet, here we are in Season 10 in a world where certain ADCs can be run mid/top or even both if you're Lucian .

I think it's time that ADCs go back to bot lane because they are innately toxic champions to face in other lanes, especially in the top lane.

I'm sick of this double-standard that ADC players and Riot has when it comes to ADCs.

37 Comments

Knight SoIaire 2/9/2020, 10:01:09 AM12 votes

The thing is that champions dont actualy break into other lanes when they are ballanced there

soraka didnt go top because she was a ballanced toplaner... she was piccked because she was winning the games there The same thing is with mages on botlane. You dont pick brand or swain as support just to be meh you take it to snowball the game hard You dont replace an adc with Taliah or Syndra cause you want a fair fight.

And the same thing can be said about lucian and vayne top... they are picked into matchups that cant handle them well and they are pretty much guaranteed to have a huge impact on the game

Riot should take it into consideration as it creates a load of anti fun matchups in this game where one side clearly holds all the cards and it can greatly reduce the pool of viable champpions

AlienPrimate2/9/2020, 10:14:57 AM7 votes

ADC's are not viable in top lane if your jungler has a brain. You can gank and dive a solo ADC over and over and over and over and over with nothing they can do about it except afk or go to another lane. ADC's don't have CC or tankiness to survive dives. Also if you main Illaoi and Darius and whine about a Lucian or Vayne bullying you, you are just a hypocrite because you do the exact same thing to most other melees but to a bigger extent because you win 2v1 ganks.

Thefrostyviking2/9/2020, 1:26:27 PM7 votes

Issue is not marksmen as a whole, it´s picks like Lucian and Vayne and Tristana.

Treat those guys like Quinn nr 2,3 and 4 and balance them accordingly and the frustration problem should drop fast and the game will be healthier even if they lose their intended role for it.

A price to be paid.

TrapsYummy2/9/2020, 10:02:45 AM5 votes

I'm all for this if mages and bruisers stay out of our lane.

Eedat2/9/2020, 3:56:17 PM4 votes

When anything that isn't an ADC is picked bot lane ADC players revolt and demand buffs and all that.

What do you mean? Its because its the only place they're allowed to be played

vgamedude2/9/2020, 11:39:50 PM3 votes

It's total bullshit that anytime anything goes bot it gets changed to be unviable there and even more bullshit that the class type with the MOST EASY RELIABLE AND HIGHEST DAMAGE IN THE GAME, and highest scaling can somehow also toe to toe up with solo laners early.

Very balanced game! No balance issues here!

DuskDaUmbreon2/9/2020, 3:04:47 PM3 votes

When anything that isn't an ADC is picked bot lane ADC players revolt and demand buffs and all that

You mean the time right after ADCs as a whole got nerfed? That time? Yeah I can't imagine why they'd want buffs at that point.

If you look anywhere at any playrate and winrate at all, literally no marksman is even viable toplane or midlane. The only exceptions are Quinn (Who's been a toplaner for years) and Corki (who I don't think even qualifies as viable no matter what lane you use him in).

Can we please just shut the fuck up about this made-up bullshit of ADCs dominating toplane and midlane? They weren't when these outright bullshit complaints started, and they still aren't. As surprising as it is, something simply being annoying doesn't justify nerfs.

Numbers for reference (all toplane, sourced from u.gg):

Lucian: 46.83% 2.0% Vayne: 47.43% 2.0%

And that's it. Those are the only two that even show up in u.gg's tier list for toplane. 47% winrate 2% pickrate is unviable by every single fucking metric, so, congratulations, OP. They're not viable toplane. Lucian does almost the exact same midlane with a slightly better pickrate. No other ADCs show up midlane. So...Again, no marksman is viable there.

Clockwork Mouse2/9/2020, 3:27:44 PM3 votes

The problem is that mages are taking over bot lane, and top lane is so weak that an ADC can go there. Not only ADCs but Soraka and Sona can too. The root of the issues is the damage and the lack of options to deal with it. If tanks still could tank properly, and mages couldn't burst so effectively we'd see things get better. And some of the ADCs are more mage or assassin like than an ADC. Kai'sa is the most obvious one of course. Can we just admit she is a mobile split damage mage or assassin?

Baby Ghoul2/9/2020, 3:43:07 PM3 votes

Man, this is a tough one.

I agree that picks like Vayne top are toxic, but then I read the rest of your post and it's just so cringe coming from a mage assassin main.

Please don't talk about double standards like ever if you're a mid laner.

GnarDominator2/10/2020, 1:33:48 PM1 votes

I Basically Main ADC and i say playing idc how meta ADC top is idc if the stomp lane I would much rather have a fair fight vayne vs jinx botlane (or something like that), {before vayne was OP ofc} than go top crush my lane win the game of that. Cuz you arent having fun, they arent having fun whats the point of the game? SO yeh im all down.

DamSonWhUFndThis2/9/2020, 12:46:35 PM1 votes

Ashe mid was really tough for me on mid, what did she do? She autoattacked me to death when I didn't land my skillshots but would that matter if she didn't die? She would autoattack me to death regardless if it's not lategame...

JustA kleo2/9/2020, 3:57:20 PM1 votes

i mean especially in soloq, its usually the problem that the botlane is 2 randoms. have fun playing with a soraka that never skills her w and goes full ap because "poke sooo stronk"

Ionian Vulpix2/9/2020, 5:23:32 PM1 votes

Boards: Bot lane needs to be opened up and shouldn't be dominated by ADCs! We want diversity!

Also Boards: ADCs shouldn't be allowed in any lane except bot because they kill diversity!

You do know ADCs are literal food to skirmishers and assassins, right? Irelia Camille Yasuo Jayce Renekton and other similar champs top lane will slaughter any ADC who goes there.

But I guess instead of actually trying to beat them, the collective will just be to complain that the role is OP because they lost to a cheese pick that deprives their team of a fighter who can do anything if behind. Did people ever actually learn to play against Gnar or was their only response to cry and beg for nerfs?

shunpo script2/9/2020, 10:00:09 AM1 votes

Nooooo, at least let them stay in mid, it's so funny when I don't even have to walk bot lane to kill their ADC over and over!

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