M-Pen needs to be addressed in this game

BALDG1VEN BOOMER·Feb 6, 2019·4 votes·1,487 views

The average squishy through the course of the game with no MR items will have around 20 - 40 MR.

Meanwhile and reduces MR by 33 (18+15) and has been the most common build path for mages. If we take a look at item purchases globally you'd see the first popular AP item is a at 11.0%, followed by at 10.6% and at 8.2% and if we take a look at shoes is the second most popular at 19.5%.

Out of all the AP items a Morello and Sorc shoes which reduces more than HALF your MR will be bought 27.7% of games GLOBALLY.

Ludens, Morello and Sorc shoes 11% + 8.6% + 19.5% account for 39.1% of purchases GLOBALLY. An average level 10 squishy at 20 mins will have 34 MR, you're literally playing the game as if you have 1 MR.

When is this going to be addressed?

13 Comments

VekknaFeb 6, 20195 votes

item 1057 Negates 1600g worth of flat pen and then some.

Luden's is a bigger problem, tbh. Combined with Liandry's, a mage can miss all their spells and still deal 100 + .1 AP + 4.5% max hp + rune procs. It's actually bullshit, and that's coming from a hardcore mage main.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 7, 20191 votes

Thing is negatron doesn't build into anything useful.

The thigh guyFeb 7, 20191 votes

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Negates 1600g worth of flat pen and then some.

Luden's is a bigger problem, tbh. Combined with Liandry's, a mage can miss all their spells and still deal 100 + .1 AP + 4.5% max hp + rune procs. It's actually bullshit, and that's coming from a hardcore mage main.

My post about this exact thing for downvoted to shit lul

DrCyanideFeb 6, 20192 votes

Looking at global purchases just shows you that every mage builds the exact same thing every game, and that there's no meaningfully different options for most of the class.

Also, I feel like Sorc Shoes almost need to be excluded in a discussion on how much magic pen there is, because mages have been balanced around the assumption that they're going to have to buy those boots. It's not an optional buff, it's a requirement if you want your champion to hit the break even point the balance team designed around.

boricCentaur1Feb 6, 20192 votes

item 3165 should not have hp it should just be a assassin item and a mage item when there is a lot of healing like give it mana, increase the pen, and low the power by like 20 or 30 then it is fine.

LeftyRaydyFeb 6, 20191 votes

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should not have hp it should just be a assassin item and a mage item when there is a lot of healing like give it mana, increase the pen, and low the power by like 20 or 30 then it is fine.

why not give it 10% CD instead of HP I will take that.

Bears Dont CareFeb 6, 20192 votes

Just a null magic mantle is enough to stave off men rushers.

Question Why are people complaining about men now? It was stronger prior to the rune rework.

LeftyRaydyFeb 6, 20191 votes

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Just a null magic mantle is enough to stave off men rushers.

Question Why are people complaining about men now? It was stronger prior to the rune rework.

Because its a huge Circle jerk against mages on the board.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 7, 20191 votes

Cause double pen is just bland at this point and Riot doesn't even know what they're doing anymore with AP items.

Plus I'm just straight up tired of playing as if my MR was reduced by 99%

Bears Dont CareFeb 7, 20191 votes

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Cause double pen is just bland at this point and Riot doesn't even know what they're doing anymore with AP items.

Plus I'm just straight up tired of playing as if my MR was reduced by 99%

So...arbitrarily a mage should do less damage just because?

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 7, 20191 votes

I never said that unless you have some reasonable reasons why double MR pen should be negating more than 99% of your MR?

Bears Dont CareFeb 8, 20191 votes

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I never said that unless you have some reasonable reasons why double MR pen should be negating more than 99% of your MR?

Except they do not. The only time this occurs is if you build absolutely no MR. You can't complain about being a squishy when you build like a squishy.

LordGeovanniFeb 8, 20191 votes

more importantly item 3194 item 3001 item 3065 item 3156 item 3512 55 magic resist you usually only have a slot for one magic resist item. 55-33= 22 magic resist left for Tanks and Fighters. tanks could then build item 3193 but then they would have to be in a really dangerous place to even get the full value and they half point value isnt worth the item slot.