@Eve players complaining about the 40 mana on her W.

CatSith·Oct 3, 2015·3 votes·583 views

Dark frenzy has a speed steroid, remove slow, ignoring unit collision, cd reduction per hit, and cd reset on champion take downs. Wow that is a lot of things in a free spell!

This change is not a big deal.

Her current play style is going in with W, spamming her spells, kill the target, and escape with her W. Adding the mana cost will make you play smarter and make you a better player by paying attention to how much you spend. She has runeglaive and a regenerating mana passive, this change wont even affect her that much.

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Support EvelynnOct 3, 20153 votes

We should add mana costs to Elise's spider form, it wouldn't be a big deal. xd

Her entire viability circles around her W and her passive, you can't go in without using W first, especially since they removed the stacking movement speed buff from landing spells. There's no meaningful skill cap added to it now that is has a mana cost, the skillcap was using your stealth to find the right moment to use it in the first place. All this does is punish long skirmishes, and successfully weaving in and out of fights.

All of Eve's abilities cost a lot of mana, this is just insane when put on top of it.

And why do people keep bringing up runeglaive and her passive? That has nothing to do with her in fight mana sustain. You of all people should understand that.

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

First of all, they have completely different play styles.

Second, Mobility mages should have high mana costs, why should eve be the exception? especially since she has mana regen passive.

Stiv1234Oct 3, 20153 votes

^ implying Eve is a mage

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

She is indeed a Mage.

Support EvelynnOct 3, 20152 votes

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First of all, they have completely different play styles.

Second, Mobility mages should have high mana costs, why should eve be the exception? especially since she has mana regen passive.

I don't think a movement speed buff makes her a mobility mage, it just allows her to actually function as the assassin she's intended to be by being able to move through a fight. Also what champions do you consider mobility mages?

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

A speed buff is mobility my friend. It isn't limited to leaps, dashes, and teleports.

Mobility Mages with speed buffs. Janna Lulu Singed Kennen Cassiopeia Galio Kayle Karma Nami Ryze

Support EvelynnOct 3, 20152 votes

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A speed buff is mobility my friend. It isn't limited to leaps, dashes, and teleports.

Mobility Mages with speed buffs.

I'm done, you seriously consider these mobility mages? If these are mobility mages then MF has some intense mobility.

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

the difference between them and MF is that she loses her mobility from taking damage, they don't.

Support EvelynnOct 3, 20152 votes

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the difference between them and MF is that she loses her mobility from taking damage, they don't.

You know downvoting me doesn't make your argument any more convincing. Movement speed may be considered a form of mobility but it isn't high impact mobility like a blink or dash, something that can almost guaranteed put you into the position you want. Movement speed is by and far the lowest ranked in terms of mobility.

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

So now you consider it mobility? huh

J EevoOct 3, 20152 votes

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A speed buff is mobility my friend. It isn't limited to leaps/dashes and teleports.

Mobility Mages with speed buffs.

None of the champions that you mentioned are "mobility mages", you could maybe argue in regards of Singed since mobility plays a larger role in his kit than normally because of the synergy with the rest of his kit. The rest have some UTILITY that helps them stay out of trouble.

Evelynn on the other hand is a MELEE that is classified as a Mage/Assassin that has most of her damage coming from melee range spells, she desperately needs that W to reach her target. That is not to say that the W mana will be a big deal but you cannot argue regarding the necessity of the spell being necessary to her playstyle and as thus it should be up often and Eve shouldn't be punished for using it.

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

She isn't being punished for using her W is the issue being addressed lol. Compared to other Melee "assassins" she gets a freebie. Why does she deserve to have one?

J EevoOct 3, 20152 votes

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She isn't being punished for using her W is the issue being addressed lol. Compared to other Melee "assassins" she gets a freebie. Why does she deserve to have one?

The spell was designed with being a freebie in mind for some reason, why I'm not sure, I don't work in Riot but then again free mobility like Kallista's is not unheard of, Lucian's dash used to be free too etc.

The mana gating doesn't introduce anything new to her gameplay, you won't wonder "oh maybe I'll just run at the enemy without W to conserve mana" because it's IMPOSSIBLE to run up to an enemy without using W, unless there's a big boot tier diffrence or something like that. the change is basically "we're lowering Eve's maximum mana by X amount" which will hurt Eve with her being manahungry and all.

And I honestly have no idea why Eve's even being considered for a nerf when she's a bad pick in the current meta still ripe with tanks and juggernauts.

Stiv1234Oct 3, 20153 votes

that is a lot of things in a free spell!

Except that the only really meaningful effect is the speed steroid and the cd reset on kills/assists. Meanwhile Yasuo W still blocks half of the skills out there at no cost and Riven Q gives 3 dashes plus damage plus AoE knockup plus the ability to cancel all her animations. But right, an MS boost on a champ with no gapcloser is OP.

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

and her slow removal isnt a meaningful effect? should they remove that instead of the mana cost then?

You cant compare a jungler to two laners.

Stiv1234Oct 3, 20151 votes

and her slow removal isnt a meaningful effect? should they remove that instead of the mana cost then?

If I had to choose, then I would remove the slow removal.

You cant compare a jungler to two laners.

I compared Eves W to free spells that also give a lot of things.

CatSithOct 3, 20151 votes

Removing her slow removal is a way bigger nerf than adding a mana cost lol.

AbyssphereOct 3, 20151 votes

"Wow that is a lot of things in a free spell!"

Lots of costless spells do a million things. Doesn't mean they need a mana cost.

Bouncemaster ZacOct 3, 20151 votes

Until she can no longer get free unavoidable ganks at level 2 when it's impossible to have pink wards without sacrificing your starting items, she's too strong.