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If you get E'd by Illaoi, are melee, and decide to fight her, consider the following

Pyrithegethon··25 votes·3,704 views

  1. How much health do you both have? If youre both low do be wary if she has tentacles by her or ults, you will probably die, horribly. If she is below half and you are close to full still play it safe, she can burst fast with ult.

  2. Treat her E as old DFG. DFG used to affect you with a debuff that made you take % bonus damage, I think 25%. So if she uses Q and it would deal 100 damage but she hits you and the spirit, you'll take 125 damage. Fighting next to your spirit is painful. At level 6 if she maxes E, 40% of damage done to the spirit is transferred to you. Fighting near the spirit for her to hit both of you makes you take 140% damage, you'll be in for a bad time. E at rank 3 is 35% base transferred and almost always another 5% from her AD.

  3. Is she level 6 or does she have ult up? If she is or has ult up do not fight her unless you have lots of CC and have backup, are very mobile, she is low on mana, or you can burst her before her tentacles burst you.

  4. Are there tentacles nearby? If there are none and she isnt level 6 or doesn't have ult then go ham on her. If she has tentacles then be wary as she WILL get lots of damage and healing off of you. If she has none but is level 6 please don't fight her when her E lands unless she is low and you aren't low OR you can kill her quickly.

  5. This one is the most important if you decide to fight her, is it worth it?

62 Comments

Pathfinder Yasuo42 votes

If you get E'd by Illaoi, are melee, and decide to fight her, consider the following:

  1. Don't fight her
  2. Don't fight her
Chembaron Yamada4 votes

This is accurate. When she E'd you, you definitely shouldn't fight her as long as you are not hugely ahead.

Darkdemon6532 votes

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If you get E'd by Illaoi, are melee, and decide to fight her, consider the following:

  1. Don't fight her
  2. Don't fight her

And doubly so for her ult

If she has her ult up, don't fight her. If she uses her ult, don't be anywhere near that area for 8 seconds.

I really hope Riot fixes her. I like her tentacle design, but everything else is just awful.

It Hertz When IP3 votes

Same. It's frustrating for Illaoi in reverse, knowing that without tentacles set up, you're useless without your ult.

Darkdemon6531 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YhLKaUjs,comment-id=000600020000,timestamp=2017-05-22T21:54:50.731+0000)

Same. It's frustrating for Illaoi in reverse, knowing that without tentacles set up, you're useless without your ult.

I'm with ya. It's an ability that is simultaneously insanely OP and laughably UP. What a world, eh?

Do you have a solution for her ult? The only thing I've thought of is to have it attach four tentacles to Illaoi - one on each side, like how Fiora places vitals on her enemies. The tentacles could then follow her around with a smaller striking area, and maybe even having the width of the striking area get smaller as the distance from Illaoi increases. It keeps Illaoi as a threat and someone the enemy team still has to pay attention to, and allows enemies a chance to fight back against Illaoi instead of just avoiding her.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Actually, the only change I'd put in her ult is to add some kind of AoE CC field to it, either a mild slow or a Grounding effect, and/or increase the area.

IMO it's the rest of her kit that's problematic, specifically the whole tentacles thing. Sounded great on paper, but not so great in practice. For a better example, imagine if Zyra had no ability to actively spawn seeds? Illaoi NEEDS to be able to deliberately spawn tentacles.

Big Lincoln2 votes

she can by landing her E

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Which requires her to:

  • Land E, a skillshot that's not too hard to dodge;
  • Actually kill the spirit. Not too hard TBH, especially in teamfights.
  • Target then has to actually stand and fight her. I don't know anyone dumb enough to do that.

To bring Zyra up again, imagine now that Zyra CAN spawn seeds, but only by landing her E, and she still has no control over where those seeds are.

Big Lincoln2 votes

Imagine if Zyra's usual build had her ending up with close to 4000 health while still having the capacity to draintank and instaburst multiple people simultaneously if played well

they're different champions with different goals, there is no comparison beyond relying on constructs and having strong counter-engage

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

That's kind of the crappy side of a Champion who's entire gameplay is determined by a purely linear RNG system.

TheSequelsRBad4 votes

As an Illaoi main, you should follow this advice 99% of the time.

TheSingularity6 votes

Retreat, get de buffed, spawn a tentacle and don't kill it.

Stand next to said tentacle and no others will spawn.

Wait out debuff duration.

PunisherJBY1 votes

Or. Kill it, get gold, repeat

TheSingularity1 votes

Risky depending on what ur move and aa animation is like but yes. Eg fat champs or champs with clunky aa like malphite and naut However 15 gold for 3 tentacles isn't much. Especially if it hits you.

You could simply kill a minion for as much gold and no hp loss. Then kill it after debuff goes away.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Not necessarily, there are times where you shouldn't back down even if vesseled. If it is pre-6 or you know her ult is down you can often fight her and win the trade. If you have DOT's in your kit you can apply them to her and make the vessel disappear very quickly.

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

And if you don't, and you try to fight her, she'll E you at point blank anyway

Vallalan1 votes

literally this. walk away. she landed her key skill shot. she wins for the time being. run. take your chip damage and fight her at a better time.

illaoi has a hard time forcing her fights as she is a juggernaut, but man if you fight her in her windows of strength (when she has your spirit, and in her ulti) you will lose so hard. its why she is better the lower you go and worse the higher you get. smart players just understand where she is strong and walk away when they have to. Illaoi has no tools to force you to fight her.

FEEDlNG TIME4 votes

Well, most of this is common sense

Pyrithegethon4 votes

Might be common sense for you and me but not everybody knows much about Illaoi.

Big Lincoln6 votes

common sense avoids most league players

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

[{quoted}](name=FEEDlNG TIME,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YhLKaUjs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-22T18:40:53.980+0000)

Well, most of this is common sense

Yeah though there's tons of "Omg Illaoi always wins 2v1 for free no counterplay" here because people don't actually fight her when her E is down or she's not got access to lots of tentacles (R down or they recently died).

ZapMyHeart2 votes

[{quoted}](name=FEEDlNG TIME,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YhLKaUjs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-22T18:40:53.980+0000)

Well, most of this is common sense

Mmm, we like to think that. However, when you are old and crinkly like myself, you'd realize that a lot of people, including many adults lack 'common sense'. It's rather tragic, actually.

invisiblecat14 votes

There are literally 3 options 1.) Poke her to make it go away faster 2.) Run out of its range in order to stop some damage 3.) Move slightly to the left next time

Yaśuo Main3 votes
  1. Move around. Like, a lot.
Asayake 5150glow3 votes

  1. Are you tanky enough to survive her damage and come out ahead in a trade? If so, do it.

  2. Are you mobile enough to dodge her damage? If so, go in, but be careful.

  3. Does she have tentacles nearby to do damage? If not, go in.

  4. Can she kill you with autos and W? If so, run.

And A Real Hiero3 votes

Nothing on gods green earth can tank Illaoi's ult.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bel Boz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YhLKaUjs,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-05-23T00:01:38.271+0000)

Nothing on gods green earth can tank Illaoi's ult.

Poppy +armor does it quite well, if Illaoi only ulted you and no one else, and if she isn't hitting a spirit, and if she doesn't have multiple tentacles up around her.

Joseraph2 votes

Tryndamere, Aatrox, Swain, Poppy, Nautilus and Mundo are laughing at you somewhere.

And A Real Hiero1 votes

Tryndamere only plays PVE. The others? Lol right.

Troll for Trump2 votes

If you buy item 3123 she's garbage.

That's why you don't play Illaoi :l

Joseraph2 votes

I feel the missing sixth tip is "Do you or any assistance have Morello's/Executioner's Calling/Ignite/Death Lotus/Hail of Arrows?"

Her combat healing can make or break fights.

Sad Tyrant2 votes

DFG was a 12% magic damage increase

ChaosThief1 votes

"Treat her E as DFG."

Meaning it amplifies damage, the raw numbers don't really matter past that.

SSJTribe1 votes

DFG used to affect you with a debuff that made you take % bonus damage, I think 25%.

Nothing wrong with a little correcting.

Irelia Bot2 votes

The best nerf to Illaio would be increasing her Test of Spirit mana cost to somethign like 60/65/70/75/80

It isn't making her unable to function but makes her have to actually be using it at the right times instead of basically whenever it is up and has a chance of landing. It isn't like the ability is weak or anything and losing 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 / 45% (+ 8% per 100 AD) is hardly a small amount of damage to be taking form a single ability that also makes you have to dodge extra damage for the next 15 seconds if it does land and you are melee.

I just run away if it lands but if it lands I know I just lost at least a third of my health.

But then again when the top lane meta was Tahm and Illaio I decided league was not worth playing anymore when combined with dynamic queue and as such I only played something like 14 ranked games of league last season.

She might be balanced but she crosses a line of frustration to deal with that riot should really put more effort into avoiding.

Uwhtazn1 votes

Her base damage on her tentacle still hurts even if she only has a item 1055 at the start of laning phase whether you're a squishy Riven or playing a tank like Malphite with just cloth armoritem 1029 she hurts more than a Darius 's Q with 5 auto stacks on you. And yet, she's a underrated Juggernaut that is hard to 1v1 and hard to ignore her damage and AoE abilities in teamfights if she's the only fed.

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

{quoted}

Her base damage on her tentacle still hurts even if she only has a item 1055 at the start of laning phase whether you're a squishy Riven or playing a tank like Malphite with just cloth armoritem 1029 she hurts more than a Darius 's Q with 5 auto stacks on you. And yet, she's a underrated Juggernaut that is hard to 1v1 and hard to ignore her damage and AoE abilities in teamfights if she's the only fed.

She's pretty easy to 1v1 if you're mobile or tanky, at least later on in the game, and she definitely does less damage than a 5 stacks Darius Q. Hell, a normal darius Q does 200 fucking damage on the blade.

Pyrithegethon7 votes

She has lots of damage but at the cost of being easily dodgeable, low mobility, and close to no CC. She has a very strong level 1 if you start with W. 4 second cd that is an auto reset with an extreme amount of damage early game.

She sadly is very weak in duels if she doesnt land E. Her difficulty fighting her is 3/10 if she misses E, 9/10 if she lands her E.

ReZisT Lust1 votes

I always grow tentacle on the left side of tower and to the right of it and spirit grab under tower and people have to get close to get rid if em lol

Flawless Fetus1 votes

Old DFG ended up being an 80% max hp nuke. Lol.

Unpaladin1 votes

You can also consider if your mobility/disengage is better than her engage potential. Simply baiting her ultimate is quite effective, in this case it doesn't rely on the other player acting stupid as much as you'd think. The range is short and she absolutely needs to use it to start her combo.

LankPants1 votes

One interesting interaction, the spirit takes on your stats when it's created. What this means is that if you're a champion with a large resist steroid like Rammus, Leona or especially Sejuani the spirit can actually end up being near indestructible and you won't take much damage from it at all even if your steroid drops off. In these cases fighting her can be far easier.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Well, you sure don't stand beside your spirit so she gets double bonuses for smacking you and it.

Mhihnj1 votes

If you get E'd by Illaoi, are melee, and decide to fight her, consider the following:

  1. Are you lee sin?
  2. Are you level 6 ?
  3. do you have ult?
Fat Nutz1 votes

The fun part about that is, there's a split second of her ulti where Illaoi can't be displaced or cc'd. It's a very very VERY small window, but I love using that window against Lee Sin and watching him be very confused as to why I didn't go flying.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Does Illaoi max her E in lane? I don't play her much but I thought Q for the increased Tentacle damage was better.

Euthenaasia2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YhLKaUjs,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2017-05-23T14:05:19.301+0000)

Does Illaoi max her E in lane? I don't play her much but I thought Q for the increased Tentacle damage was better.

I always max E first. The change in cooldown is ideal as it allows it to be cast more often. At first its like a 16-18 cooldown and that's just way too long.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

How to beat illaoi in a fight

Attack move in a tight circle around her= dodge the tentacles

LyingOnLine1 votes

Playing against Illaoi E as an immobile melee character is pretty cancer, no lie. Can't start trades with her because lol E and win trade. Can't be around her without minion wave because lol E. Can't try to fight her post 6 if she misses E because lol ult get fukt.

Literally the only chance some characters get to fight her is if both E and ult are on cooldown, and E's cooldown lategame is way too fucking low for that.

Not to mention her absolute lack of mana costs.

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