Gameplay is mostly silent.
Vayne is 51% winrate, 22% playrate.
Gameplay https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/104/774/107.jpg
EDIT: ITT: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/104/774/107.jpg
EDIT: I'm just joshin ya guys, I'd rather face a hundred lucians than one vayne.
On My Kill List27 votesthat is because vayne is far more meta defining polarizing and less fun to face. ( and overall toxic ) and you can actually fight back lucian ignoring his support. while a fed vayne can casually 2vs1 or 3vs1 alone. you do not ever see fed lucians 2vs1ing or 3vs1ing out of the blue.
saltran4 votesthat is because vayne is far more meta defining polarizing
No, Lucian impacts way more the meta than Vayne.
and less fun to face. ( and overall toxic
That's fine, it's fair to hate Vayne more than Lucian.
Marshbouy1 votesyeah I agree. At least with Lucian you can punish for mispositioning because his mobility isn't completely insane. I'm just trollin around.
Rysophage1 votesmeta defining? when was the last time vayne saw serious competitive play? And no im not talking about caps' random game on her. when she had an actual pick and ban rate in pro play.
Now compare that to lucian.
option paralysis17 votes[deleted]
Nevrankroaton2 votesI would honestly want to see where he will land when other ADC don't feel like shit at one or two items, seriously.
Also, I am surprised the board didn't cry about Ezreal new stuff because GOD is it strong ahah.
Qivu13 votesi've seen lucian complaints all over the place tf are you talking about
Tahminatrix 11 votesCause Lucian is supposed to do well in this meta, vayne isn't.
(not saying that its entirely burst / damage meta, it seems league is starting to get a bit better aside from tanks having their damage buffed and survivability neglected and even nerfed)
saltran7 votesYou are right tho, champs as Vayne Karthus Jax Kassadin being strong on a ultra early game meta is seriously fucked up.
The Trent1 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yg45Eq0Q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-27T04:41:49.835+0000)
Cause Lucian is supposed to do well in this meta, vayne isn't.
(not saying that its entirely burst / damage meta, it seems league is starting to get a bit better aside from tanks having their damage buffed and survivability neglected and even nerfed)
With that logic every bursty early/mid game adc should be doing good in this meta
IE: Corki, Ez, Varus, Caitlyn, Kalista
Too bad they're not and all I see as a support main is my least favorite adc to support, Lucian.
Hayaishi211 votesRiot needs to fix bot lane honestly.
Crescent Dusk1 votesRiot needs to fix bot lane honestly.
Don't see how that ever happens. The value of snowballing a lane of 2 people will always be a problem. When you reduce the value of the 2 man to compensate then you get people whining ADC's have no value.
Z3Sleeper7 votesCuz we've been talking about Lucian for forever. Vayne is a much more recent phenomenon.
But eks dee lul boards is so silly gimme upvotes.
Velzard of Koz6 votesOh so we are going to pretend that people weren't reminding Lucian's stats frequently too.
I guess all the people of the Boards should merge into single communist entity where we share our hatred equally and aim to create equal amount of shitposts to fill in quota that unlocks the divine privilege to complain about something else.
Thefrostyviking5 votesThing is, Vayne´s brand of damage, max health true damage, ontop of having normal crits, counters absolutely everything, no form of defenses work against her.
And she spams stealth while possessing hard CC that conditionally gets stronger.
Playing against Vayne feels way way worse than playing against any other marksman except possibly Caitlyn and Tristana when they is strong.
Like even if Riot were to overbuff Ashe a bit right now she would probably top out at half of Vayne´s banrate even if she hits a similar play and winrate.
SpongebobIsLife4 votesoh please, you can deal with lucian. But how can you deal with something you can't see, that you can't build against, that you can't outscale???
Critmaster Garen4 votes1.) the boards had been full of posts about lucian in the past few month
2.) vayne is objectively overtuned, and everyone knew that she would be overtuned with that buff that she definitely didnt need at the time. this was literally just a buff to promote her skin sales. at this point riot isnt even subtle about it anymore.
3.) vayne is cancerous trash design and feels far worse to play against than lucian when theyre both strong.
Śhunpo1 votesThat's not the view a lot of people on here had. A lot of people said "No, the buff's fine Vayne deserves it cause she's so weak". So it wasn't "everyone".
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Seth L9,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yg45Eq0Q,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-01-28T04:08:35.766+0000)
That's not the view a lot of people on here had. A lot of people said "No, the buff's fine Vayne deserves it cause she's so weak". So it wasn't "everyone".
vaynes statistics before her buff were already one of the higher playrates when it came to marksmen and a 49% winrate.
for a champion that supposedly has a high skill floor, these were already strong statistics. she objectively didnt need the buffs.
Sewer Side3 votesBoards has always hated Vayne and has always targetted Silver Bolts for some reason, except whenever Vayne is actually strong, it’s when her Q is broken.
ProfDrDeath6 votesBefore, yes.
This time, it is not Q that is broken, and not even Silver Bolts on its own. Rather, the broken thing is Phantom Hit (again...) that renders Vayne able to proc SB every two autos.
Sewer Side3 votesBefore, yes.
This time, it is not Q that is broken, and not even Silver Bolts on its own. Rather, the broken thing is Phantom Hit (again...) that renders Vayne able to proc SB every two autos.
Vayne has had Phantom hit for a year now. Her winrate spiked the moment her ultimate buffed her Q.
You’re still falling for the same trap I outlined, lmao.
WeaselRune3 votesPretending a monolith of opinion exist... how typical, is this a real argument or circlejerk "people dont know whats balance amiryte!?" bait?
Pretty sure its circlejerk bait...
While I feel Vayne is a problem, the thing about Lucian is Riot has proven time and again they will let him run lose for a while being broken OP as hell, then gut him to bottom tier ADC. Its like full moons, and the rotation of the Earth it comes in phases cause Riot chooses. Complaining about it does no good, you just have to wait for them to decide its time for him to go back to his hole for a while.
The worse part of this is that Vayne also has CC, and can pin you too a wall and pop you while you cant do anything.... While Lucian may be too strong for you and you have no chance caught out vs him, at least he doesnt CC you and end you while you can only watch it happen. Lets not even get started on stealth...
ModCaptainMårvelous2 votesWell yeah.
One is a TANK BUSTER The other is just an busted ADC
I'll let you guess which one is the graver sin.
Hensetsu2 votesJinx has an 8% pick and a 52% win rate.
But, Boards will be Boards.
Just be honest about it, it's not fun to play vs a perma-stealth champion. I don't like it either.
Lil Homie busta2 votesLost a nerf, Rito-Gomes has. How embarrassing, how embarrassing...
Saevum1 votesLiL Master Yoda, what should the balance council do?
Thaakillah2 votesLucian is way easier to use than vayne, dominates early and is good/great in mid and late id MUCH MUCH rather face a vayne than lucian that guy has burst, mobility AOE, low cooldowns, spammable abilities, lane dominance, escape, ranged ult early power spike and more.
robotmaster2 votes
is at a 48% win rate at a 0.33% play rate and still gets nerf. Feels bad man.
King Braum1 votesPeople have complained about Lucian for weeks on end, eventually people get tired of it and just move to the next thing.
Modl Ryden l1 votesRight? we latch onto the next hot topic and forget about stuff that's been going on for ages.
What's next? "Wow I can't beleived I got permastunned by Sejuani for 6 seconds and she 100-0 me. Riot nerf! She has an 80% WR and 44% ban rate in Korea AcCoRdInG 2 Op.Gg!"
IPromiseTomorrow1 votesBOARDS Yasuo is below 50% REEEEEEEE
JANNA IS AT 56%WINRATE But honestly no one really cares about that, she's not as annoying as Other champs.
I don't take action at this as much because it's so out of hand, if I did, I'd be attacked by the Yasuo Hate mob. So I only point out major offpoints.
is my favorite
NoDiscussion1 votesHe's been strong for too long, way too long
Alzon1 votes“BALANCE TEAM! STOP IT NOW!” - Master Yoda 2017
ApollyonBainer1 votesHow bout ezreal, hes pretty much right behind lucian with rotating adcs behind him
Sasogwa1 votesLucian is just as broken if not more and autowins every botlane, let's not make distinctions.
Rysophage1 votesPeople whine about vayne whenever she isn't dumpster trash and its annoying. She's beent he worst ADC in all of season 8 cept for like 2 patches and she isnt even THAT good now.
OneMustFall1 votesDaily reminder that Op.GG's stats only use the Korea region to base it's stats.
Lucian does not and hasn't reached a 52% win rate globally in quite a while.
G0blinSlay3r1 votesGameplay is mostly silent.
Vayne is 51% winrate, 22% playrate.
Gameplay https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/104/774/107.jpg
EDIT: ITT: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/104/774/107.jpg
EDIT: I'm just joshin ya guys, I'd rather face a hundred lucians than one vayne.
your right right should nerf him
"riot game" Damage = 50 +2
