Nidalee changes,

SwiftKitten88··1 votes·560 views

over the past few patches we have had some changes to jugnle nid. now I'm not saying those are for the better or for the worse at higher elo. i cant comment on that

however riot has stated that they are trying to lower nid's power at higher elos where no one will agure she is definitely top tier jugnler YET (and here is the key point) trying to keep her playable at lower tier jungle. and well as trying to re-added some of her old roles back.

and the portion of these changes supposedly NOT affecting her lower elo players is what i currently have an issue with. because that is just a blatantly false in low elo we don't HAVE the mechanics to kite perfectly and the root is what made nidalee able to do a full clear. the changes to nid in my elo are HUGE.

whether or not these changes fixed higher elo play i dont know.. i just know that they did NOT meet the other requirement of "not drastically hurting lower elo play"

now as a nidalee main since the day i started playing in season 3. i have seen every iteration of nidalee from that point.

now jungle nidalee is STILL possible to do at lower elo with the current nerfs.

however it is now tremendously harder to do clears lvl 1-3 and its almost impossible to gank until after you back..

i used to be able to do a full leashless clear on nidalee before the removal of her root. (this is silver elo) now i need a leash and i still need to back after lvl 3 and sometimes i still get executed on the third mob.

now obviously my skill level hasn't gotten worse. and maybe i just need to adapt to the new changes.

but if the idea behind the removal of the root was to lower her pressure in high elos but not hurt her lower elo play... then i have to say that has failed. i cant comment on what this change did at high elos.. but it certainly made it MUCH harder to player her in lower elos

then we come to the issue of re-adding nidalee's old roles back.

currently the biggest culprit preventing this from happening is the state of her traps. after % hp was removed they became worthless vs player. (which even with % HP had to be dumb enough to STEP on the trap)

which now that they don't even root jungle camps.. are effectively the most worthless skill in the entire game. and until something is done to her traps. she will NEVER be able to lane again. there is no avoiding this riot, her traps NEED to be fixed.

during the PBE cycle her root was removed from her spear but kept on her traps.

without a pbe account i was never able to test this. but i feel if we at least got the root back on the traps it would allow her to jungler in lower elos again.

again i cant comment on higher elos.. but if the goal was to hurt her higher elo WITHOUT effecting her lower elos too harshly.. THAT has failed. he lower elo has certainly be HUGELY affected.

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Unfortunate Game1 votes

I read the first half only after the part you said you cant clear. I disagree, I play nidalee just like you, main her, and shes perfectly fine. She takes a lot of damage, but you need to kite and know how to do it.

I recommend you to watch a video of a higher elo player clearing with nidalee, shes still perfectly fine in the jungle, you just take a bit more damage early, but clear just as fast, maybe even faster considering how messy it gets.

I clear both sides and have enough hp to gank without a leash, you just need to know how to do it, i guess.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I read the first half only after the part you said you cant clear. I disagree, I play nidalee just like you, main her, and shes perfectly fine. She takes a lot of damage, but you need to kite and know how to do it.

I recommend you to watch a video of a higher elo player clearing with nidalee, shes still perfectly fine in the jungle, you just take a bit more damage early, but clear just as fast, maybe even faster considering how messy it gets.

I clear both sides and have enough hp to gank without a leash, you just need to know how to do it, i guess.

if you can provide a video of how to do a a full clear i am more than willing to try it.

but i for the life of me cant figure out how to not die anymore...

which is kind of the point I'm trying to make anyways.

higher elos may or may not be affected by this change.

but the simple fact that i need to watch a video of a higher elo player do a clear because i cant figure out for the life of me how its possible to clear with her anymore . frankly just proves my point.

are all bronze and silver nidalee suddenly required to study and precisely duplicate how a challenger nid does a clear just so they can not get murdered in the jungle now?

if THAT is the point we are at, then CLEARLY this change is affecting lower elo play.

Unfortunate Game1 votes

haha, uhm sure i'll try to help you out.

Do you think its possible for yourself to record yourself or me and you go into a custom game and I watch you clear and i'll tell you whats wrong. Basically i was a lot of streams, meteos, iwilldominate, and a few chinese junglers, and basically I didnt learn from watching them, I sort of figured it out on my own, but they definitely helped me with my play style.

If you cant record yourself and send a video, would you add me in game and we can go into a custom game, this is one way i can help you, if youre serious enough about learning how to clear, because you shouldnt execute.

Btw, it could be your runes/masteries causing you to execute, so let me know what you use as well?

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Restless Slumber1 votes

You're just bad then. I've been maining bid for about a month or 2 now and climbed out of low gold to plat (in promos atm) with mostly Nid. I can clear my entire jungle, hit level 4 then invade and gank before I base. Currently the change that I'm mostly upset about is the pounce auto attack reset removal. The root nerf only nerfed her ability to clear scuttle crab. I'm also not trying to attack you, I'm just saying that Nidalee is a high skill floor champion that if you're having trouble with maining the champion, then you should find another champion. If you want to learn how to play her better check r/nidaleemains on Reddit.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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You're just bad then. I've been maining bid for about a month or 2 now and climbed out of low gold to plat (in promos atm) with mostly Nid. I can clear my entire jungle, hit level 4 then invade and gank before I base. Currently the change that I'm mostly upset about is the pounce auto attack reset removal. The root nerf only nerfed her ability to clear scuttle crab. I'm also not trying to attack you, I'm just saying that Nidalee is a high skill floor champion that if you're having trouble with maining the champion, then you should find another champion. If you want to learn how to play her better check r/nidaleemains on Reddit.

im not bad... im silver, i have silver mechanic

and i have been playing nidalee since the say i started playing in season 3.. she has always been my main.. i know her abilities inside and out.

the only reason i even jugnler with her AT ALL is becuase riot FORCED me to learn her jugnle in order to keep playing her becuase they kicked her out of her other roles by the absurd nerfs they gave to make her not "op" in the jungle.

and now your saying i suddenly need to develop plat mechanics in order to continue playing the champ i been playing as my main for 3 years?

just because riot decided to do what they call a "small nerf" that only affect her "higher level play".

I'm sorry. that is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

i literally CAN'T play the champion i been playing for three years becuase you force her into a role i never even wanted to play and then you removed her other roles and nerf her till they point where it impossible to play her unless your high elo?

Im a freaking amazing nidalee player.. but that pointless get even get to lvl 4 in the jungle without backing.

I AM SILVER!!!! I HAVE BEEN PLAYING NIDALEE FOR 3 YEARS AS MY MAIN I SHOULDN'T NEED TO SUDDENLY DEVELOP PLAT SKILLS IN ORDER TO PLAY HER NOW.

Riot say this was a small nerf to her hiher elos.. maybe i was, I'm not going to argue with that.

What I'M saying is the fact you riot claims that this "does not hurt" lower elo play on nidalee.. is BEYOND bullshit.

I DON'T CARE IF SHE HAS A FREAKING 100% WIN RATE IN THE JUNGLE

nidalee had a 50% rate in TOP, MID, and support.. in seasons 3, 4, and the start of season 5.

You already took away what i loved about nidalee.. her ability to do all the roles i loved, and first pick her into any team you forced me to learn a role i never wanted to play in order continue playing the champ i love.

and now suddently your trying to tell me "oh well, we decided to make nidalee's clear from lvl 1-4 so mechanical intensive that your can no longer do it at your elo even though SHE BEEN MY MAIN FOR THREE YEARS!!! becuase i cant play the role i can no longer play the role never wanted to learn in the first place, on a champ i love.

nidalee has been my main since day one.. I climbed from bronze to silver for THREE years in a row using pretty much only nidalee.

if ANYONE says im not "GOOD ENOUGH" at nid and i should pick a "lower skill champ" i don't have words for you i can say here.

nidalee is my main.. she will ALWAYS be my main. and nothing you can do to her will change that.

i will play nidalee even if it means i get demoted from silver to all the way to bronze 5 becuase she is the champ i love to play.

but don't tell me for ONE SECOND that this nerf isn't HUGE to low elo players nid players. regardless of where or not this nerf did ANYTHING at high level play.. I DON'T CARE.. i wont EVER care.

all i care about is being about to play the champ i want. and riot goes out and say "this change is DESIGNED to NOT effect LOW elo play."

I EXPECT THEM TO KEEP THEIR WORD i can tell you with 100% certainly, that in no way in hell does this change "not affect lower elo play"

and if you think otherwise

YOU ARE WRONG

REGARDLESS of ANY effect this had at high elo play.

THIS CHANGE IS A FAILURE!! because it does NOT met ALL the criteria it is supposed to meet.

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