I wonder why right. Hmmm. Could it be the non interactive laning phase where he pushes all day and you can't touch him cuz he has his passive. Hmmm. Is it the ultimate that suppresses you for 2.5 secs, hmmm. Idk guys, what do you think ?
crzymdscntst3 votesOne element that gives strength to Malz is his ability to waveclear, which is highly overlooked. Many games I've played and won/lost, the losing team lacked that focus. With Malz, it's purely incidental. This alone boosts his winrate beyond his core balance.
As to his balance. His voidlings are overtuned on the power/spammability side. Getting multiple out fast should be about when you do it, not necessarily always being capable of doing it. When they do come out, they do a hefty chunk of potential damage, which when focused with a proper Malefic Visions, is very difficult to counteract those multiple targets without disengaging from Malz.
These two things could use tweaks, not necessarily nerfs and I think he'd be manageable in many regards.
Everyone has stated the concern with an uncleansable ulti and while that's a concern, the impact his ultimate is supposed to have is just that. The DPS portion of it is equally strong though and that's the problem. It's not a balance of CC OR damage, but instead CC AND damage.
Craft Zeppelin1 votesAlso after the rework, the crabs are a literal permaslow that clings on the frontliners preventing them to even reach the backline. This is one of the main thing as a Malz main myself want to be reverted. It is a near unfair advantage.
UnboundHades1 votesi still dont understand why cleanse cant stop malz ult while qss can
Jinzo Torrance1 votesConsidering he had 55% before, dropping to 53% is something. Most of the damage during ultimate is dealt the Voidlings attacking you, later in the game people who you ult usually get focused by your team so the 30% less AP ratio it's not that impactful.
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Considering he had 55% before, dropping to 53% is something. Most of the damage during ultimate is dealt the Voidlings attacking you, later in the game people who you ult usually get focused by your team so the 30% less AP ratio it's not that impactful.
exactly, what difference does it make if I build qss or not, if he just flash R someone and wins a teamfight. so stupid to have a 2.5 POINT AND CLICK cc. just gut him or something
Jinzo Torrance1 votesQSS is still useful though, it makes you a less valuable target for Malzahar ultimate since if he ults you and you QSS it and he's just standing there doing barely any damage while you can just walk away or 1v1 him, he also just "wasted" his ultimate. Malzahar just forces a 1300 gold tax on carry champions. It's getting nerfed next patch, higher Ult CD early and less Q AP ratio so he doesn't poke or shove as hard.
INT then ULT2 voteslmao his pushing power is his E and W though.
Honestly it's nice to have an immobile mage in the game that doesn't get dunked on by any mobile mage/assassin.
Craft Zeppelin1 votes
Anyone foolish to pick this must learn the harshness of this world.
Jinzo Torrance1 votesNot really, after some AP your Q oneshots caster and you can cast it sideways on the whole wave to hit all 6 minions, E W takes more time to kill all creeps since it's all single target.
INT then ULT1 votesYeah, but it's not necessary. E W can still clear a wave with no items, except a cannon.
With AP, I can't think of a mage that doesn't have strong waveclear.
Craft Zeppelin1 votes
INT then ULT1 votesHe's more of an AP assassin, no?
PhantomGG1 votesNo one gives a fuck about his damage, we give a fuck about being unable to move for 3 whole seconds while everyone on his team dog pils onto us, at least LIssandra, Annie, Skarner and old Warwick I could take cleanse for. Honestly changing the code to Malzahars ult to allow us to use cleanse would be a big help.
Infernape1 votesEr you couldn't take cleanse against pre rework Warwick. His ultimate was a suppression.
They don't want cleanse to be able to remove suppressions because they don't want champions to be hard countered by a summoner spell IIRC.
Craft Zeppelin2 votesRemember that Malzahar too cannot move. If you make it cleansable, it would become compensated and broken in another way around.
INT then ULT2 votesThis is what always gets me about people who complain about Malz ult; Malz can't do anything while he's ulting, and he's only CCing one person. It's a medium-range ability at best, and it's not going to save him from a gank unless you or your jungler have no hard CC.
Craft Zeppelin2 votesHence the long said word, "When Malz ults you for free, you probably deserved to be caught out." Also, Malzahars best bet after being ganked is to smash all his keys on the weaker one and pray to get a doublekill.
rtbf2216514122 voteswe give a fuck about being unable to move for 3 whole seconds
Beacon Academy1 votesTired of having to type this out so I'll quote it
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Doesn't matter.
Riot has once again failed to understand that Malzahar is more than his identifying ult.
3 things
His basic abilities are and always have been his bread and butter. This fact alone is why the ult CD nerf doesn't mean shit
His current damage revolves around resetting E. In other words, 15% less AP scaling on Q? Whoop de doo.
His shield is still intact. The toxic part of his kit that everyone complains about and allows people to easily pick up this immobile mage is still left intact.
People will still play him and people will still bitch about him.
Always hyper-focusing on an ability you can counter build or counter with hard CC
Its no wonder why his real issues never even gets looked at