Official Fiora rework discussion thread.

Phife·Aug 7, 2015·1 votes·1,012 views

Lets start off by asking everyone, what do you think of her new kit. Have you played her yet?

Personally, i will ban her so people don't play her on my team.

10 Comments

Nagoh ShanAug 7, 20152 votes

She's fun IMO. However she really seems to need Trinity Force or her damage is too anemic. I tried doing a more tanky skirmisher type build with Black cleaver instead of TF and I just couldn't do enough damage. She needs the AD for her passive, and the TF really helps her burst. Especially when you have it and Q a vital.

Starting tiamat into a sheen really worked well then, once I got my Trinity force, she was doing tonnes of damage. The main issue I see when other people have used her (Mind this is low elo so the mistakes are emphasized a lot) is not timing W correctly (I was having a lot of issues with this myself, though W-ing a Cait or Ashe ult is fun as hell) or not wearing down the lane opponent with vital popping before going all in.

Also if you don't like where your vital showed, go out of range and it will disappear, and when you get close you get a new vital immediately in a different place, so you can control where they actually are. Hugely important for in-lane trading I hope that doesn't get changed.

lightdragoon88Aug 7, 20151 votes

No...no trinity.

HumanPerfectAug 7, 20151 votes

I feel like it was completely unnecessary. Her Q and E are undeniably worst and her passive doesn't provide the same sustain and seems very unreliable. They completely did away with her identity as a 1v1 duelist, shifted her power to a new team-fight oriented ult. I suspect her old ult alone was the entire reason for the rework. Honestly, her old ult wasn't very bad.

One, it was very visually satisfying. Who doesn't like a good Omnislash? Secondly, the claim that it "had no counterplay" is ridiculous. Zhonyas, proper positioning and bushes, spreading the damage over multiple teammates, armor... Not to mention all the skills in the game that make you untargetable/invulnerable (troll poll, alpha strike, Vlad's pool, Jax's counter strike, Liss ult, Kayle ult, Tryn ult, etc) or stealth'd (Vayne ult, Akali's shroud, etc). Seriously, she's the GRAND DUELIST. That might tell you that you want to position properly and not try to 1v1 her if you are both even mid/lategame.

Now couid her ult deal a crapton of damage even when your team is grouped up if she's incredibly ahead? ABSOLUTELY. But it is an ULTIMATE ABILITY. If she gets fed then she should be rewarded. The ult MIGHT have been a little strong (though there's probably a reason why she was rarely seen at higher elos).

Her ult was far beyond unsalvageable. Let's look at the last change to Blade Waltz:

V4.20:

Blade Waltz Base damage reduced to 125 / 255 / 385 from 160 / 330 / 500. Bonus attack damage ratio reduced to (+90% bonus AD) from (+120% bonus AD). Damage on consecutive hits increased to 40% from 25%.

This was definitely a step in the right direction. If they really wanted to take it a step further then all they had to do was reduce the base damage further and increase the damage on consecutive hit so that it emphasized her role as a 1v1 / 1v2 duelist/skirmisher.

I mean, Tryndamere, Jax, Master Yi, Udyr are allowed to have their strengths placed in strong dueling and mediocre team fights, why shouldn't the GRAND DUELIST? Full build Fiora used to be able to give full build Tryndamere and Jax a run for their money as top-dog melee duelist through proper timing of her skills, but now it's a no-contest. When 1v1s can last less than 2 seconds and teamfights less than 5, Fiora doesn't have time to AA, pause, move around behind the enemy, pause, AA, move to the front of the enemy, pause, AA, move to the left of the enemy, pause, AA, etc all the while getting her head bashed in by a sword larger than her entire body by a full-rage Tryndamere or getting CC'd and blown to pieces by the rest of the enemy team.

I'm not even going to get started on the so-called "visual upgrade".

Hasztalan2Aug 7, 20152 votes

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stuff u wrote

Exactly because she didn't play like a "grand duelist" but rather like an insane drug addicted berserker (ironically the role what olaf should fill) who just yolos in.

HumanPerfectAug 7, 20151 votes

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Exactly because she didn't play like a "grand duelist" but rather like an insane drug addicted berserker (ironically the role what olaf should fill) who just yolos in.

If you just YOLO'd in as the old squishy Fiora, hoping to make a beeline for the backline to ult their ADC against a team of semi-competent players then you'd have been CC'd to death/blown the hell up before you could even start the ult animation. Trust me, I know this all too well.

Flanking was effective, or waiting till the enemy team was already engaged and blew through their CC, but that's hardly "YOLO".

Hasztalan2Aug 7, 20151 votes

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If you just YOLO'd in as the old squishy Fiora, hoping to make a beeline for the backline to ult their ADC against a team of semi-competent players then you'd have been CC'd to death/blown the hell up before you could even start the ult animation. Trust me, I know this all too well.

Flanking was effective, or waiting till the enemy team was already engaged and blew through their CC, but that's hardly "YOLO".

Against competent players you don't pick Fiora 1.

2: She did play like a rabid berzerker with an extreemly feast or famine playstyle (even more than rengar) since she had no way OUT from the fights. If u try to deny or say something else over this fact then i strognly doubt u ever played fiora.

HumanPerfectAug 7, 20151 votes

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Against competent players you don't pick Fiora 1.

2: She did play like a rabid berzerker with an extreemly feast or famine playstyle (even more than rengar) since she had no way OUT from the fights. If u try to deny or say something else over this fact then i strognly doubt u ever played fiora.

Being "feast or famine" and having no escapes is not the same thing as being "YOLO", otherwise we'd be making the same argument for Diana. You can still use your head when you're using an all-in champion.

When someone refers to going "YOLO" (stupid acronym), they're usually talking about a player's playstyle. There's nothing wrong with having no escapes if you make up for it in other areas and Fiora hardly seems like the type of lady to run from a fight (funnily enough, I've seen reworked Fioras use their ult for movement speed to run away from fights rather than to enemies xD).

Hasztalan2Aug 8, 20151 votes

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Being "feast or famine" and having no escapes is not the same thing as being "YOLO", otherwise we'd be making the same argument for Diana. You can still use your head when you're using an all-in champion.

When someone refers to going "YOLO" (stupid acronym), they're usually talking about a player's playstyle. There's nothing wrong with having no escapes if you make up for it in other areas and Fiora hardly seems like the type of lady to run from a fight (funnily enough, I've seen reworked Fioras use their ult for movement speed to run away from fights rather than to enemies xD).

Y k won't even bother responding to this.

You are making similarities between an AD melee carry and an AP bruiser/assassin who has a shield , an aoe slow and most likely will rush zhonyas as her first item.

^ Try to get the point by reading waht you wrote

/endthread.

PhifeAug 7, 20151 votes

sorry but she is everything but teamfight oriented now...

lightdragoon88Aug 7, 20151 votes

DON'T BUY item 3078 ON HER!!!