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Now that I've been playing Talon again

nm1010·4/6/2018, 1:08:17 PM·62 votes·5,273 views

Can we fix the stupid wall hopping bug that makes you jump the wrong direction? It legitimately impacts 1/3 games in a major way (either requiring flash to be blown or I die). No my mouse cursor is not in the wrong position.

Examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXl4iKT00DQ

https://i.gyazo.com/3ccef592c20d3bd25c32c2b9a01c49bf.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/c41f32b4a4183786bf1b3a97c382f544.jpg

It took 2 minutes in practice tool to replicate twice. Arrow is where I came from, X is where I was clicking, O is where I went. Some of the most frequent places this happens are towers, nexus, krug camp wall, dragon pit (not baron, for me at least), raptors wall, and the thick river walls by mid. The likely cause of this issue is the fact that the walls are drawn like spaghetti for some reason. They have sharp angles that don't follow the wall very well, leading to this bug where I believe you can actually get too close to the hit box which causes you to jump erratically.

https://i.gyazo.com/84ae12e172a61642eb8aec629e1b888d.png

######Potential problem areas in dragon pit

43 Comments

Ultîma4/6/2018, 4:07:36 PM23 votes

I don't even play Talon that much and I've experienced this multiple times. I don't know why Talon's jump is locked into going forward once it is initiated. It would be so incredible if we could change directions mid-jump to better follow-up on enemies. Could you imagine if Kayn was stuck moving forward Magical Journey style once he passed through a wall? The parkour could feel a lot more intuitive.

HeazonZ4/6/2018, 3:03:12 PM18 votes

rek’sai has a similar bug where she gets stuck on terrain even though she creates a tunnel through it.

Fegone4/6/2018, 2:39:11 PM12 votes

yes. especially on towers. I can reproduce that on towers 100% of the time.... annoying af

Samflash34/6/2018, 3:45:25 PM9 votes

This is unacceptable... Why did you end the video there? I wanted to see the Talon get rekt'd.

(Actually, that sucks. Needs to be fixed.)

Madsin254/6/2018, 4:44:06 PM7 votes

Or rito can just revert the rework and give us back the fun talon we used to have.

Marothennan4/6/2018, 6:51:01 PM5 votes

At first I thought it was just gonna go to the left or something but... that's honestly the stupidest shit I've ever seen. How does such a bug even occur?

AmazoX4/6/2018, 3:54:27 PM4 votes

This bug's a pain in the ass.

Midlane Kayra4/7/2018, 7:52:46 AM4 votes

I was ranked #3 Talon in the world before switching servers so let me explain how the E bug occurs;

If your mouse is showing the right direction but its on HUD you're fucked. If you're trying to jump over turrets you're fucked. If your mouse is on right spot but too close to wall you're fucked. If you press E and your character isn't close enough to wall you're fucked. If you dont position your character well enough then you're fucked. If you press E you're fucked. If you play Talon you're fucked.

Mainly it causes because of terrain hitboxes, they're square-ish, so when you try to jump over edges "great pathing system" detects "A shorter and better way" and goes there instead of the place you're trying to go.

BUT THERE IS ANOTHER BUG WHICH DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT TERRAIN HITBOXES, TALON JUST DOES A BACKFLIP AND GOES BACK. Oh god i hate myselft and talon.

YoungFarmer4/6/2018, 9:26:37 PM4 votes

I mean this in the nicest way possible. But I fucking hate talons new E, as someone who loves talon I'd rather have the old one back. His new E doesn't work half the time, or its super delayed, or you jump the wrong direction.

His old E did practically the same thing as his new one, without needing a wall. Like I could ward over a wall and hide on the other side of it and cheese an enemy squishy with his old E just as easy as his new E. I wish they would revert it. Would make him a way better champion.

Alex h87214/6/2018, 9:00:13 PM4 votes

Im mastery 7 on talon and yeah this shit is brutal, although my absolute favorite is when you just bouce off the wall and are sitting in the exact same spot w/ your dick in your hand like well guess ill just die now.

His E is highly un-reliable, and on an assassin that can explode in the duration of 1 CC that feels crappy. Zed's mobility w/ shadows (even though it requires setup) is way more reliable and even though it "requires more mechanical skill" it feels a lot better than talon's buggy E.

ChaddyFantome4/7/2018, 5:08:08 PM4 votes

Talon main here. Been playing talon since season 3 and i have mastery 7 on him.

This is a very well known bug that ppl have been telling Riot about for years now. While we are at it, can we fix ALL of talon's bugs, like the Q range buff and his auto timer glitch bug? Or my favourite which is the no stealth on ulti bug.

Ifneth4/6/2018, 7:45:41 PM3 votes

Wow. That is one nasty bug.

BroLane4/6/2018, 9:04:37 PM3 votes

This. THIS THIS THIS THIS. This shit turns easily winnable games into quick losses because of how easily you can screw it up It's not a "mechanic", It's a goddamned bug and needs to be fixed. I play Talon a lot, and I wouldn't mind seeing small nerfs if this bug was fixed.

EDIT: Post this to Report a Bug as well.

aZ3R0n4/6/2018, 10:59:06 PM3 votes

And here I was thinking I was doing something wrong or was just bad with Talon even though I have level 7 mastery. I've literally junped in place or have otherwise landed on the same side of certain terrain which has wasted time, caused my death, or made me miss a kill or team fight.

iPooUnicorns4/6/2018, 4:56:12 PM2 votes

I've run into this bug before, it's really infuriating. Honestly Talon should just get a new E, currently it's a bad version of Kayn's E.

GhaelWinds4/6/2018, 3:28:54 PM2 votes

You can work around it and sometimes it even helps you that it works weird like that. just gotta know how to specifically jump over some of the walls. Adds more skill ceiling to the champ if you ask me.

MorganFreemanBot4/6/2018, 8:40:54 PM2 votes

I'm not a very good talon.

There was a time, perhaps 6ish months ago, when I decided to start playing mid and putting effort into becoming a decent one.

This bug singlehandedly made me stop. It would occur multiple times almost every single game, and I counted myself 'lucky' when it only happened once.

As OP highlighted, the common problem areas seem to be dragon pit, krug pit, raptor pit, and the thick mid walls.

Risen294/6/2018, 5:07:49 PM2 votes

I learned recently that the E depends on where your cursor is pointing. So make sure your cursor is placed over the wall you want to jump when you press E, not on the wall.

I am curious if doing this ensures these issues go away.

Imgartn4/7/2018, 1:08:47 PM1 votes

What's the problem? Looks like he slipped on the edge and fell down again.

Summonah123694/7/2018, 9:16:59 AM1 votes

Lmao.

Ready 2 B Blamed4/12/2018, 7:54:57 PM1 votes

No, it's stupid and unreliable.

Terozu4/6/2018, 3:30:31 PM1 votes

Is this a joke? You jumped over the tower and expected to go to the X?

Khristophoros4/12/2018, 7:02:32 PM1 votes

Just messing with it in the practice tool. You have to have your mouse in the right spot. It's very easy to control when you don't use quickcast. The thing is Talon will go in the direction towards where you target the ability. If you don't target in the direction you want to go, you won't go in that direction.

Maybe you guys should try turning off quick cast for talon's E.