I played a game yesterday and ive watched something disgusting...

Rexxiee·Jul 8, 2017·8 votes·712 views

Ive watched a vayne getting focused by 3 ppl get to 10% health, then a second later her lulu/bard press all their actives and spells and now shes at 100% hp with a shield that covers almost her full 1.8k health bar (this is without her even autoing so no lifesteal, she was cced).

Do ppl really think is this fun to play against? Hell this is not even fun to play as, its just boring having fights being dictated by which team has more lockets or knights vow or whatever broken support item you can get, its not exactly exciting gameplay either to see fights decided by 2 item actives + some passives.

It also makes champs that rely on bursting someone/catching someone and assassins basically unplayable unless they can get 20 kills and end the game before the 25 min mark.

20 Comments

Dasdi96Jul 8, 20175 votes

Yeah, there should be more counterplay to this protection other than "hope vayne goes full idiot."

PePsiLemoNNJul 8, 20174 votes

now shes at 100% hp with a shield that covers almost her full 1.8k health bar (this is without her even autoing so no lifesteal, she was cced).

That's a lie unless Lulu/Bard were full ap and lategame

Succubús GFJul 8, 20171 votes

item 3190 item 3107 item 3504 ???????????????????????

RenownedWheat42Jul 8, 20172 votes

I just went and checked. Locket + redemption + censer lategame bard and I can manage a 800 shield, 700 redemption, 400 w. So you're looking at 1800 in the heals and maybe 1200ish in lockets after reduction from repetition. Then factor in the lulu shield + wild growth. Yeah, it's doable. But that's got to be lategame and the heals are reasonably diminished with lower AP due to the scaling. Tack on a mikael's, though, and they get insane.

Now two champs with those are OBVIOUSLY going to be insane when focusing one target, but redemption gives a window to burst and locket decays over time, best-case use would be to shield during redemption buffer. This is also burst healing from a three-four item support who can really ONLY do that. Three-four item ADC just has to right click to shred people apart, so... I think it's reasonable when you compare.

PennsJul 8, 20172 votes

Kinda fun as support tho Im Thresh with item 3190 item 3107 summoner 3 up and I know I can pretty much solo win the next teamfight hehe xd

RexxieeJul 8, 20176 votes

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Kinda fun as support tho Im with up and I know I can pretty much solo win the next teamfight hehe xd

I really dont know how support players can find this fun, do they only care about the freelo their role is atm?

Is it fun to win team fights because you pressed 2 actives + exhaust? You're literally not even playing your champ kit, you're just abusing broken items.

Like i dont even mind if i cant kill someone because janna did a well timed Q into a ult + her shield let her adc live the ignite, shes just playing her kit well and doing what it is supposed to do, but when you add the items it just becomes too much and it also removes all the effort.

PennsJul 8, 20171 votes

Well Thresh is pretty fun cause later his hook has like 4 seconds cooldown.

Piccolo JuniorJul 8, 20172 votes

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I really dont know how support players can find this fun, do they only care about the freelo their role is atm?

Is it fun to win team fights because you pressed 2 actives + exhaust? You're literally not even playing your champ kit, you're just abusing broken items.

Like i dont even mind if i cant kill someone because janna did a well timed Q into a ult + her shield let her adc live the ignite, shes just playing her kit well and doing what it is supposed to do, but when you add the items it just becomes too much and it also removes all the effort.

i figure you're not playing support at all because you don't understand the tradeoffs you make by being 'that support'. Soraka and Janna can't do shit if you play against them correctly. i play both frequently and if your adc positions like garbage then you're dead in a second. if your team wont group, the forbidden idol trilogy is far too much aoe power with only one body to protect. if enemy builds grevious wounds you significantly reduce the power of heal/util supports. if you jump on an adc and leave the support free to heal and shield then that's just ineffective play. there are many ways to counter squishy util supports. trust me. it's not freelo lol.

Big LincolnJul 8, 20173 votes

you're saying they can't do anything if you play against them right but most of your post is just listing that support's team being bad

DuskDaUmbreonJul 8, 20172 votes

There are ways to force teams to do things that are "stupid". Even in pro-play.

And it's really not "freelo" if you have to rely on your team being intelligent. Which is what he was arguing.

VladCuzBadJul 8, 20172 votes

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I really dont know how support players can find this fun, do they only care about the freelo their role is atm?

Is it fun to win team fights because you pressed 2 actives + exhaust? You're literally not even playing your champ kit, you're just abusing broken items.

Like i dont even mind if i cant kill someone because janna did a well timed Q into a ult + her shield let her adc live the ignite, shes just playing her kit well and doing what it is supposed to do, but when you add the items it just becomes too much and it also removes all the effort.

You just called support freelo? What planet are you living on?

LadyRenlyJul 8, 20172 votes

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I really dont know how support players can find this fun, do they only care about the freelo their role is atm?

its not really freelo since both teams supports do it lol

DunkinNoobsJul 9, 20172 votes

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its not really freelo since both teams supports do it lol

It actually isn't because it really depends on the right kind of champs to be effective. It's not a coincidence that all the meta adcs are super high dmg; it's not like you can burst them down so just pick Twitch/Draven every game and shit on people.

Piccolo JuniorJul 8, 20172 votes

I mean, technically yes. But it's not that they're necessarily being bad it's just that playing one of these supports requires your team to not only be the sole damage but also to play a specific way that allows you to be that powerful. if they cant do that then you're the easiest kill in the game.

DaNinadJul 8, 20171 votes

Try managing all the item actives in a teamfight plus your abilites

RexxieeJul 8, 20172 votes

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Try managing all the item actives in a teamfight plus your abilites

The problem is that you dont have to, the items are so strong that you dont need to play their kits correctly to win a fight.

thecowleyJul 8, 20171 votes

Problem I have with tank supports. Especially Leona. If I go in on a target and lock down on them, I'm still chum meat with out a follow up from some one

Rand0mH3r0XJul 8, 20171 votes

As long as the game doesn't revolve around focusing the carry and whoever gets caught out loses, I'm okay with this.

SlythionJul 9, 20171 votes

could you post the replay clip please <3

DemainaNyxJul 9, 20171 votes

Yeah..... a support devoting all the gold they get into protecting their team CAN ACTUALLY protect their team by using everything. Unheard of. /s

I mean, you're either going to have people playing AP Brand support and just solo carrying the game if these assassins really want to burst the 0/8 ADC instead of people playing Support Lulu and protecting the 8/1 ADC.