Junglers are gettign nerfed AGAIN. It's so sad, I'm laughing my 4SS off.

Kowe The Ewok·Feb 18, 2015·2 votes·724 views

Enchantment Warrior: -5 AD

New wards (50g cheap) now even PING your map when a visible or invisible units passes through.

Normal wards weren't enough for laners were they?

Seriously, I don't even know what to say anymore. I've been speechless after the last 3 nerfs. The fact that Riot keeps screwing junglers over more and more with each patch just leaves me in a state of utter disbelieve wether anybody the balancing team actually plays jungle... or well, at least another jungler than Lee Sin, J4 or Vi...

15 Comments

SEKAIFeb 18, 20153 votes

Riot CEO: "Gentlemen, some junglers are too powerful, what are your suggestions?"

Balance A: "Hmm, just like, nerf those who are too strong?"

Balance B: "What about, we nerf the entire jungle, again?"

Riot CEO: "Perfect, Balance B you'll get bonus this month."

"We will nerf jungle again because some junglers are too strong." - Patch note.

JamareeFeb 18, 20152 votes

Funny, I feel the exact same way when you guys sit in our lanes giving your lanes free pressure. I understand your plight, I just have problems agreeing with it when you pretty much decide when the solo laner wins or loses at times, hell, bot lanes too..

Kowe The EwokFeb 18, 20151 votes

Wards.

They have worked since before season one. They are even free since a year in form of a trinket.

P.S: Botlane more often is decided by a teleport from toplane so what's your point?

JamareeFeb 18, 20151 votes

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Wards.

They have worked since before season one. They are even free since a year in form of a trinket.

P.S: Botlane more often is decided by a teleport from toplane so what's your point?

We only get three, and then you guys come over walls, sit in the bush for extended amounts of times, or repeatedly come back until the one second we aren't watching ALL angles and then the lane is gone. Watching wards is important sure, but it isn't possible to watch them at all times and god forbid you miss one of the many angles you guys can come in. Sure, I'm likely being bias but you are as well.

Kowe The EwokFeb 18, 20151 votes

You mean: A player wastes his complete (jungle) farm attempting to help his lane, meanwhileyour jungler continious farming, earning levels and gold - and now it's unfair that in such a situation you don't get ahead of your opponent?

JamareeFeb 18, 20151 votes

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You mean: A player wastes his complete (jungle) farm attempting to help his lane, meanwhileyour jungler continious farming, earning levels and gold - and now it's unfair that in such a situation you don't get ahead of your opponent?

I admit, I have bias against junglers. But I don't feel junglers should control lanes to that degree or propel them with one gank, or be able to just sit and decide lanes by simply waiting for the most perfect opportunity when they slip up just once. I hate that at times I lose lane not because I messed up, but because I got forced into a two vs one, or I had t lose my tower or whatever. Like I said, jungler bias as someone who is on the other side who doesn't enjoy the place that junglers put the laners.

Kowe The EwokFeb 18, 20151 votes

Always consider what your jungler is doing in the meantime.

Midlaners can gank as well.

Do you also demand nerf for midlaners so they can't roam?

Or how about teleport only allows you to teleport to your own topic since a TP gank at bot can win botlane AND guarantee a dragon?

Seriously. It's not the enemy jungler that ruinign your day. It's your interaction (or the lack thereof) with yoru own team.

JamareeFeb 18, 20151 votes

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Always consider what your jungler is doing in the meantime.

I do, it doesn't change the fact it isn't fun for the laners so have to just sit their twiddling their thumbs while they wait for you guys to past along.

Midlaners can gank as well.

Yeah, and they lose out on farm, on the other hand, you gank, then can go back into your jungler to keep jungling. When laners roam, we have to think of all the CS we are losing and gold to the tower, you guys just go back to your jungler then repeat the process. So yeah, I understand your plight, but you act like EVERYTHING sucks for you guys.

TehNACHOFeb 18, 20151 votes

Most AD Junglers aren't having trouble, it's the Tank and AP Junglers that are no shows and are most prone to hits. You're overreacting.

Furthermore, the new wards can't see a thing. It's not "now even PING your map", it's "now only ping your map".

Folding ChairFeb 18, 20152 votes

Strange, an important detail that breaks his argument, how'd he forget to mention this?

TehNACHOFeb 18, 20152 votes

...I can't come up with a witty satirical response.

Bias is a fun factor of the human mind though.

thinking manFeb 18, 20151 votes

Warrior has been completely broken and needed nerfs but the other stuff is really outshined by it.

The solution is to nerf Warrior, though.

Folding ChairFeb 18, 20151 votes

Well for higher elo the whole ward thing won't have huge effects, seeing as the map awareness is already rather high.

In low elo (like me lel) it'll help us not feed the magi-krap out of you.

Sorry, start farming a bit more.

futuresight23Feb 18, 20151 votes

That new sightless ward is more or less only going to be much of an impact against stealth champs. Which is probably a good thing as it may allow champs like Eve and Twitch to get buffed seeing as how limited stealth detection is right now.

5 AD loss on Warrior isn't going to make or break anything and even then, the AD junglers are the ones that are doing really well.

LoLKiruFeb 18, 20151 votes

Important disclaimer, its been noted multiple times by different reds, that the mandrake wards will likely either be tweaked heavily, or never hit live at all.

Currently as far as I know they have a rather small sight range (they don't provide vision by the way) and have the ability to see over walls, it pings when someone enters its area of sight, and does so again every 10 seconds if someone is still there (though it was noted that this especially is extremely subject to change)

Its intended to be a ward that reveals the presence of someone, without actually showing who it is, or how healthy they currently are (among other things)