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feelsbad people think shyvana is trash and needs a rework. reminds me of something.

XJ99999999999999··2 votes·1,246 views

reminds me when aatrox was constantly told to be trash and needed a rework and they reworked him and then everyone did a complete 180 and went "riot, why did you do this! he was a great champion and you turned him into riven or any other generic champion!".

can't wait for one of my favorite champions to be gutted. I rememer 2-3 seasons ago when I played this game a fair amount I'd just spam Shyvana and win win win win win. Loved that feeling of people being surprised and feeling unique and crafty. Proving people wrong that shyvana is great.

Then I stopped playing the game and then everyones like "OMG AP SHYVANA GUIS!!!" and it was just a meme build or a situation build if your team is all AD and you need AP. The build sucks if the enemy team :

  1. Plays around you and doesn't group up (low elos dont know what to do
  2. You are losing the game and dying a lot, causing you to be unable to ult as much as your ult doesn't come online if you are dead and if you aren't autoing.

Shyvana has always had a lack luster kit at glance, but her raw damage and speed is what made her a great champion and unique. You'd outfarm people adn gain tons of levels and gold. She could also gank well with blue smite or red, but you had to know to not use your W unless you could keep it up through autoing. Tons of shyvanas made so many mistakes such as this one or using her E instead of simplying autoing and Q'ing. It's a very dynamic champion when it comes to decisions.

If anything, Vi is the one that needs a minirework with her skills, as the one thing shyvana has that Vi doesn't is safety, as being able to leesh the camp from a range without going melee is mandatory in high elo jungling.

But you'll have people act like Vi is ok and shyvana isn't because there are vi one tricks but rarely any shyvana 1 tricks.

Already know it'll be downvoted, but at least I can say I voiced my educated point about shyvana and how this is just history repeating itself over and over again and people just don't learn. I remember before they reworked aatrox and we had people with less than 5 games or 0 games with aatrox claiming he's shit. That isn't enough to say anything, and there is something else that matters but I don't think you're allowed to use a players -censored- as a way to support your arguement.

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boricCentaur13 votes

Aatrox 100% needed a full rework and anyone that disagrees is blind.

Shyvana is my 3 most played jg and I can easily say she needs a rework like her kit is just you either win hard or do nothing and lose. Since her passive and the fact that she is so easily killed by cc puts her in that spot.

Chainman32 votes

The build sucks if the enemy team :

  1. Plays around you and doesn't group up (low elos dont know what to do)
  2. You are losing the game and dying a lot, causing you to be unable to ult as much as your ult doesn't come online if you are dead and if you aren't autoing.

What build the ap shyv build? And which team plays around you?

Because if you mean enemy team, as your post states, but i find terribly illogical.

Lets break down what you said.

Plays around you and doesn't group up (low elos dont know what to do)

Every champion does bad when the entire enemy team is playing around countering them.

You are losing the game and dying a lot, causing you to be unable to ult as much as your ult doesn't come online if you are dead and if you aren't autoing.

Which champ does well when they're losing and dying alot?

For bringing up your "educated point", all you really did was list when champions in general are weak and tied it in to why that affects her.

XJ999999999999991 votes

{quoted}

  1. Plays around you and doesn't group up (low elos dont know what to do)
  2. You are losing the game and dying a lot, causing you to be unable to ult as much as your ult doesn't come online if you are dead and if you aren't autoing.

What build the ap shyv build? And which team plays around you?

Because if you mean enemy team, as your post states, but i find terribly illogical.

Lets break down what you said.

Every champion does bad when the entire enemy team is playing around countering them.

Which champ does well when they're losing and dying alot?

For bringing up your "educated point", all you really did was list when champions in general are weak and tied it in to why that affects her.

AP Shyvanas gimmick is her E. her E already does a ton of damage without even ranking it up due to how it scales in damage through her dragon form. 80-200 AP doesn't turn the E into some kind of broken thing. Her E already does a ton of damage whether you max E 2nd or 3rd while building devourer - blade - trinity - tank items.

You fail to get my point about losing and dying a lot. AP shyvanas strength is in her dragon form. If you go AP shyvana, and are dying/losing, that means while you are dead, your ult won't recharge. Which means the fact you are AP shyvana is less of a deal and pointless. If you are losing the game (not even dying), it means that the enemy team is likely harassing with poke and/or taking your camps, which means shyvana can't auto, as her autos are what dictates how fast she can get her ult back up to keep the gimmick alive.

The fact you try to downplay it just shows you people don't understand the champion like I do. They never will.

"Seek 1st to understand than to be understood"

Chainman31 votes

You seem to be very conceited, so much so, that you missed my entire point and restated your previous point and went into more detail about shyv. Again, the argument "shes useless when behind" applies to all champs, how being behind makes her useless is irrelevant. So using this argument is illogical to say the least.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/21/Appeal-to-Authority What you're doing is making a fallicious argument by labeling yourself as someone with a greater understanding on shyv as you list her abilities. We all know what shyv does. My previous point said you made 2 claims, those 2 claims apply to every champion and not just shyv, and instead of rebuttaling with a logical argument using claims BESIDES these 2. You decided to go into more detail on the 2nd claim and continue to push your authority in this argument because you're assuming you know shyv better than anyone that disagrees with you.

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