Redmercy's Insight on Zeds current Balance

Guy Fox Teemo·Feb 25, 2016·5 votes·1,975 views

He's a veteran Zed Main, and has been probably since his release. Very reliable, on most of the opinions he gives, worth checking out. (Watch the WHOLE video. If watching at all)

20 Comments

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20163 votes

Hes bias because he loves zed and has mained him for a long time. The issue with zed is the only counter play is items which really isn't counter play persay because you can not farm vs zed when he pokes you down and then ulti's you. Also while hes poking you down hes wave clearing at the exact same time with the same abilitys. Zed is just too good at everything.

Also just looked you up. You are a zed main and i don't think you should be posting anything about zed unless he's under powered.

Guy Fox TeemoFeb 25, 20161 votes

I don't see why people think, just because someones mains a champion they are auto biased? Redmercy is a very respected member of the community and knows Zeds Strengths and Weakness's far better then you do, as long he points them out and gives valid reason. I see no bias.

I'd say your biased, that you just hate Zed, because you hate Zed and just assume he's OP.

MizayaFeb 25, 20161 votes

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I don't see why people think, just because someones mains a champion they are auto biased? Redmercy is a very respected member of the community and knows Zeds Strengths and Weakness's far better then you do, as long he points them out and gives valid reason. I see no bias.

I'd say your biased, that you just hate Zed, because you hate Zed and just assume he's OP.

Agree, people who mostly play against a champion are just as biased against them as their mains are biased for them. He's also really good at the game. Even if he was biased, he'd be more credible just because of his superior knowledge.

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20161 votes

i been here since season 1 i know this game just as much as he does if not more. Just because i don't make youtube videos talking about league does not mean i don't know what i am talking about. Yes he is bias towards zed he has said this many times in his videos i know this because i have been sub to remercy and his brother phy for a really long time.

Guy Fox TeemoFeb 25, 20161 votes

He's also Diamond I and you are? Play time does not = Skill/Knowledge

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20162 votes

knowledge is one thing skill is another don't put them both in the same category as if i need both to understand how a champion works. I may understand the game a lot better then most players but i still lose to being outplayed. Doesn't make me less knowledgeable then someone else. Also try to type your comments better i really dislike people trying to prove points in the manner you just did by typing x=yz thats just stupid and arrogant.

Guy Fox TeemoFeb 25, 20161 votes

Well could have just said Play time does not equal skill. but its a lot easier to use the tools I'm given to not have to type out the word. Such as the = sign

And my apologize, they aren't in the same category should have said "Play time does not = Skill or Knowledge"

but anyways, you have no way to prove that you are more knowledgeable about a subject then anyone less, besides ranked, as theirs no "Knowledge" rank. Being out played is not always about skill, Amumu, Xin, Garen, Annie, etc. Don't take skill, BUT if you don't have the knowledge to know when to go in and when not to , you're still going to fail. You can lack 100% mechanical skills and still do perfectly well with a lot of champions just with pure knowledge.

For example you main Katarina, Katarina doesn't take any mechanical skill, her kit is literally button smash. But there is a difference between a good Katarina and a bad one, because good ones know when to go in and when not to, due to knowledge, and not skill. So why haven't you been higher? If you're as you say more "Knowledgeable" then most, when your in the average rank of players.

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20161 votes

Well just to talk to you about my katarina since you want to bring her up in this its very simple. I am a extremely good katarina and i have been as high as plat in this game over the years. I'm not a dumb player and i have played vs a lot of champions and players in my 6 years of playing league. I am very knowledgeable with katarina to be good with her on a high level, the issue with her is it takes too much knowledge and skill to be good with her on that level because of her kit and play style. Also the higher up you go the more people will hold on to their instant cc ability's to try and stop her when she goes in to clean up. I will also say katarina does take skill to play because of how terrible her laning phase is and because you need to get resets off the right targets and effectively move to the right next target, meaning after you kill a low health target you need to move on to the squishy targets to keep the resets going. Not to mention katarina is a true all in champion meaning if she can not get the rests she needs she is as dead as the chicken you eat for dinner last night. She is good at what she does but zed is better with better safety nets to help him out not only in laning but when he over commits and has multiple ways to juke someone.

Guy Fox TeemoFeb 25, 20161 votes

Look either way, you aren't as good as Redmercy, he's obviously more knowledgeable about the game AND better. And the same goes for Zed, the higher ELO you go, the more people know how to play against him (Thats why he's rarely if ever seen in the LCS)

And if you're so good at her, why aren't you Diamond, Plat, Challenger etc.? Don't play ranked often ? Well that would be your own fault. If you're as good as you say you are, you'd obviously be higher rank, Katarina does not take any mechanical skill, you cannot argue that, she is literally just right click. What she does require is knowledge and knowing when to go in, when not to. Thats what seperates a good Kat from a bad Kat. Considering Katarina is very good Carry champion, and you say you have so much knowledge, Obviously you'd be higher rank or the same as Redmercy.

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20161 votes

Who are you to tell me redmercy is more knowledgeable then me? you don't know a damn thing about me. Also i don't need to be diamond to know what champions are strong or is over tuned. You are just mad i can prove a point. Also katarina does take mechanical skill every champion does some more then others. Also you keep failing to even carry on in this conversation thinking knowledge about the game will automatically make you in a higher elo. I already told you i have been as high as plat in this game. I do have a full time job which is why i do not play ranked anymore.

My points about zed still stands hes too good at everything, his all in is not all in when if he over commits to a kill or finds out hes being gank or even under a tower all he has to do is hit r. He has way to many saftey nets to save him not only in lane but during team fights, his reach is incredible no other assassin besides leblanc has that kind of reach and yet he has super amazing wave clear with harass at the exact same time which leblanc doesn't have.

The truth of the matter is you are bias towards zed because you main him its very clear in this conversation because you do not even want to acknowledge that his kit is over tuned and he is literally the best assassin in the game. Good luck in trying to prove me wrong when the entire community and league borads is filled with hate about zed right now.

I am done talking to you because all you want to do is tell me how stupid i am when i clearly have more experience in this game then you do and you think knowledge = skill and you think knowledge = elo which is not the case. Have fun playing your broken champion which is legit the only reason you are gaining elo at all.

Sinister AnubisFeb 27, 20161 votes

Here you go an example of zed being broken and just listen to his comentary its so easy to see hes bias and so are you, its so easy to see how broken he is when hes 5-0 in 11 minutes and 8-0 at 14 minutes 12-0 at 16 minutes. This is in plat 1 so ya broken as fuck. Also you say the new item didn't do much for him yet he rushed the item 1st which says a whole hell of a lot. He even talks about how strong the item made zed stronger.

So go ahead and defend your busted champion. Be bias because if you weren't bias you wouldn't of taken the time to even make this thread. What are you afraid of that riot will nerf him? He needs to be nerf.

heres the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qO9kun-znU

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20161 votes

I don't really have a issue playing against zeds at all. My issue with zed saying hes over powerd is hes too good at everything. He wave clears/poke and harass with the same combo at one time, he is extremely safe in the lane, he'll most likely get a kill off the mid laner once hes 6 before they can get any items to counter him, his build path is stupid cheap for early game power spikes once mid lane gets items to counter him he'll just roam bot or top and get free kills there, has ridiculous potential to out play people with his shadows, his all in really isn't all in when all he has to do is press r to juke back to his shadow after words. The only things that is bad on zed is he can be countered by 2 items and he doesn't fair well vs tanks because he has no sustain damage. Zed is extremely snowbally (Probably not worst then fizz tho) and its too easy to get the items you need to be good with him. He doesn't need to save for a big cost item like needless to do his job like mage assassins do not to mention mages in gen need to save a shit to get that item which is needed to even buy hour glass which you will not have till about lvl 8-10 depending on the type of game you are having.

Hes just too good at everything he does with not very much counter play until you get those counter items and if hes not fed by then.

LoLKiruFeb 25, 20161 votes

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Hes bias because he loves zed and has mained him for a long time. The issue with zed is the only counter play is items which really isn't counter play persay because you can not farm vs zed when he pokes you down and then ulti's you. Also while hes poking you down hes wave clearing at the exact same time with the same abilitys. Zed is just too good at everything.

Also just looked you up. You are a zed main and i don't think you should be posting anything about zed unless he's under powered.

Just because you main a champion, doesn't automatically make you biased in their favor.

I main Cho'Gath and Malzahar (mostly because I enjoy their characters oh so much), yet I can agree they're both COMPLETELY OBNOXIOUS in their own ways (especially the former, in lane sustain for simply last hitting properly, and a nearly impossible to dodge silence that shuts out most melee champions)

Mecha MaIphiteFeb 25, 20161 votes

Just because he's strong atm doesn't mean he has literally the most counterplay out of everyone. His combo is reliant on hitting both Q's and his ult proc. Both AD and AP can counter him with items.

Look at any other fed assassin. They will instantly delete you with what is actually no counterplay, unless you are playing a bruiser or a tank.

Sinister AnubisFeb 25, 20161 votes

Thats debatable. The real issue is zed can far/wave clear/ poke harass all in the same combo safley. If he over commits he has his r to get back too or even his w if he did not use it. Most zeds will poke you down so when they all in they will not have to do much to kill the target. Hes just way to safe as a assassin in the game, hes too good at what he does. The only reason riot doesn't even do anything is because his ulti is counter by qss and hourglass. Which isn't really a counter because most champions in a game can not rush it. Hourglass is stupid expensive having to save up a ton of gold just to even buy 1 component of the item mean while zed just keeps buying long swords and getting more and more power spike each recall. Not to mention by the time you can save to get hourglass or qss zed is lvl 9 and has most likely snowballed off you or someone else. As far as the adc goes they have to stop buying their core to buy qss and thats not good because the enemy adc will hit a bigger power spike soooner because they don't have to waste money in a item that is currently giving mr so its a waste in lane to buy it. I think i said enough have fun.

CherysseFeb 25, 20162 votes

Hmm interesting, can you make a resume? I can't spend MB t.t

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Master YiseeksFeb 25, 20161 votes

You again... :P

CherysseFeb 25, 20161 votes

Comment my thread about the item please xD

Also I do think Zed needs to have less width in his Q, so that it is harder to poke for him and it becomes easier to evade during lane phase.

Dirty RoleplayerFeb 25, 20162 votes

Redmercy lol. We know what comes there.

Viperjcs1985Feb 27, 20161 votes

I think he undervalues his whole "forces enemy to build very specifically" and "forces opponent to know exactly how to counter him" arguments. Any hero that can completely dominate a lane unless the opponent builds and plays very specifically is pretty unhealthy. I am not referring to "forcing" a response from his opponents, I am referring to actually requiring explicit items and forcing them to burn gold just to stay relevant and not feed.

Now, I agree that an un-fed late game zed is nothing more than a squishy assassin and I agree that a shut down Zed is basically useless.

All-in-all, Zed is a good champion to show skill on. A Zed with no skill will be useless and a good one will crap on lower skilled opponents.