@Meddler: "If the attack that procs Backstab would crit normally, it now deals normal crit damage"

Jesus is Savior·Dec 6, 2016·26 votes·1,717 views

It's great that you fixed this for Shaco. Can you do the same thing now for Xin Zhao? His new W has the same issue (and got overlooked because most Xins don't build crit).

(EDIT: according to the comments, Fiora is broken too)

http://i.imgur.com/DvJaJZb.png/img

(source of the Shaco change, for those who don't know: "If the attack that procs Backstab would critically strike normally, it now deals normal crit damage rather than Backstab’s reduced crit damage" http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-624-notes )

13 Comments

Ferus and FerrumDec 7, 20168 votes

Ah I remember when crit xin was a thing. See OP you think you want this change, but you really don't... You reeeeeeeeeally don't.

Jesus is SaviorDec 7, 20162 votes

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Ah I remember when crit xin was a thing. See OP you think you want this change, but you really don't... You reeeeeeeeeally don't.

It wouldn't make him a thing. It's still bad.

It would just make it not an entirely troll build like it is now (you're basically intentionally feeding if you build crit on him as he is now)

Pierce The VealDec 7, 20161 votes

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It wouldn't make him a thing. It's still bad.

It would just make it not an entirely troll build like it is now (you're basically intentionally feeding if you build crit on him as he is now)

Ah people don't remember the crit zhao of old.

ImmortalBloodCYDec 7, 20161 votes

The Old Xin Zhao with Crit Build was broken.

You dont want that to come back because it did not matter if you went full tank you would still die against a Xin.

Jesus is SaviorDec 7, 20163 votes

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The Old Xin Zhao with Crit Build was broken.

You dont want that to come back because it did not matter if you went full tank you would still die against a Xin.

Anyone should be able to build crit. Their kit should not intentionally nerf crit for no reason.

If it's broken, nerf him in a way that actually makes sense.

agbudarDec 7, 20161 votes

that would mean riot has to get rid of the crit mechanic he has now that would mean a revert.

how often have you seen riot do a revert?

no LeeSin and any other poster boy dont count.

Jesus is SaviorDec 7, 20161 votes

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that would mean riot has to get rid of the crit mechanic he has now that would mean a revert.

how often have you seen riot do a revert?

no and any other poster boy dont count.

if(crit_passive_is_up) {

boolean crit = rollCrit();

if(crit) { damage = regular critical strike damage; } else { damage = reduced passive critical strike damage; }

}

They don't need to revert anything. They just need to fix it like above. JUST LIKE THEY DID FOR SHACO.

agbudarDec 7, 20161 votes

you have not been around for long enough to know what you are saying here.

for the love of god never bring a viable manner for xin to build crit back just don't

Jesus is SaviorDec 7, 20161 votes

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you have not been around for long enough to know what you are saying here.

for the love of god never bring a viable manner for xin to build crit back just don't

I guess they should add a passive to Yi as well so that he does less damage on crits for no reason, too?

Teridax68Dec 6, 20164 votes

Yeah, this sounds like it should apply to any in-kit crit. I'm not sure if that also happens for Fiora, but it's worth looking at.

Beyond just bug fixing, though, while a change like this benefits Shaco, it still doesn't leave his crit build in a good spot. Building crit on Shaco still just means his passive becomes less and less relevant, and I'm pretty sure backstabbing an enemy and getting a random crit still puts Backstab on cooldown. If crit Shaco is to work properly, Backstab should either not be consumed on random crits (though that would also make managing the passive less clear), or it should scale with crit chance, so that it would be valuable no matter how much crit Shaco has, even at a hypothetical 100% crit chance.