"we heard your complaints about fiora"

ScarnMichaelScar·Sep 16, 2015·8 votes·1,253 views

we know you don't like %max health true damage that scales with AD. we know you didn't like how short fiora's dash cooldown was and how easy it is to hit a weak point with fiora's dash. we know you didn't like how fiora's riposte could negate any form of damage including ignite/cc and disables, while returning them. we know packaging an aoe heal into a champion's kit who already builds is incredibly stupid and turns her into an unkillable god if she gets her ult.

know what we did?

we nerfed her base stats. that will put her monstrous late game in line!

new is just with more burst potential and team utility

21 Comments

ValentenSep 16, 20155 votes

I remember when everyone was all "omg this fiora rework is the worst and she will be useless". Fiora is suppose to be able to duel people SHE IS TITLED THE GRAND DUELIST FFS. If you are planning on dueling her make sure you have the advantage and dont let her get her ult procs. if she casts her ult just walk away or make it REALLY hard for her to proc it. Do i play Fiora yes I wont deny it but there are easy ways to deal with her.

ScarnMichaelScarSep 17, 20152 votes

"there are easy ways to deal with her"

just like riven? or katarina? maybe in lane. but in teamfights they're gods because they're highly mobile carries with high burst potential that if you focus, you run the risk of getting wiped by everyone else on their team

i've seen fiora chase down a master yi who ulted, popped ghost, and stepped on a bard shrine just by mashing q and jumping over purple side's jungle walls near gromp. if she fights you and you realize she's going to beat you, you can't escape from her. thats why she's bullshit. the only way you can beat her is if she's bad

Learning momentSep 17, 20154 votes

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"there are easy ways to deal with her"

just like riven? or katarina? maybe in lane. but in teamfights they're gods because they're highly mobile carries with high burst potential that if you focus, you run the risk of getting wiped by everyone else on their team

i've seen fiora chase down a master yi who ulted, popped ghost, and stepped on a bard shrine just by mashing q and jumping over purple side's jungle walls near gromp. if she fights you and you realize she's going to beat you, you can't escape from her. thats why she's bullshit. the only way you can beat her is if she's bad

ok you believe katarina is over powered. im not even going to bother talking sense to you.

ValentenSep 17, 20152 votes

Kat wins against uncoordinated teams just like every single one of the champs you used as an example. Fiora dies really easily if you throw a thresh hook on her after she used her riposte and she is dead with 1 second of focus if she is building pure dmg. If she is building more tanky she wont be doing near the dmg as if she was glass cannon.

YUSSSep 18, 20151 votes

JUST DO THIS AFTER SHE DECIDES. What if she doesn't make the mistake you proclaim that its SO EASY TO BAIT OUT!.

ValentenSep 18, 20151 votes

oh trust me if you use some focus fire she will want to use her riposte to negate the dmg just dont use CC till after she is done casting.

Player of GamesSep 16, 20154 votes

Fiora isn't fun to play against, and still doesn't feel very "fair" to die against.

ScarnMichaelScarSep 16, 20152 votes

at least before the rework she still had to pick her fights wisely.

now she just builds tons of lifesteal, a GA, and then wrecks everything because she has 300 ad which scales into 7% max health true damage on weak point hits.

like how is it a smart idea to make a duelist that can chunk 5k hp tanks out of 35% of their health just as quickly as they chunk adcs and squishies

Learning momentSep 16, 20154 votes

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at least before the rework she still had to pick her fights wisely.

now she just builds tons of lifesteal, a GA, and then wrecks everything because she has 300 ad which scales into 7% max health true damage on weak point hits.

like how is it a smart idea to make a duelist that can chunk 5k hp tanks out of 35% of their health just as quickly as they chunk adcs and squishies

do.....do you even know what old fiora was like??? you have no place to complain, there is now counterplay. Her weak points are not instant they take like 3-5 seconds to appear again after hit.... old fiora was literally QQ R and the adc was dead.... people like you make me smh

ScarnMichaelScarSep 17, 20152 votes

old fiora didn't have a 5 second cooldown on her skillshot dash that can now jump small walls. fiora could only negate auto attack damage with riposte. fiora's e was stupid for sure. her old ult was stupid, but didn't provide her with a chance to heal her whole team, and deal 40% max hp true damage at full build.

Learning momentSep 17, 20153 votes

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old fiora didn't have a 5 second cooldown on her skillshot dash that can now jump small walls. fiora could only negate auto attack damage with riposte. fiora's e was stupid for sure. her old ult was stupid, but didn't provide her with a chance to heal her whole team, and deal 40% max hp true damage at full build.

-old fioras Q wasnt a skill shot, it was a targetted ability that can be activated TWICE.

New riposte is high risk high reward, 1. it has a 19 second cool down lvl 1 and like 12 seconds max (guessing) so you can literally use it once in a full team fight and as you use it youre completely immobile and deal no damage with it (AP scaling). old W made her dueling with adcs EZ mode as it had like a 5 second cool down so it could be used more than once a team fight and you could attack during it.
Fioras old E made her tower pushing strong, but i like the new E better.
it takes a solid 3 seconds if youre extremely fast to proct all 4 hits to get maximum potential and late game that is next to impossible. again if you build full damage you are still a melee champion and literally 3 autos from an adc and youre dead late game. and GA gives you like 400 hp on revive so you will still die from one more auto, good in theory shit in practice.

XelviSep 16, 20153 votes

She is absolutely ridiculous now and the nerfs won't do anything to address her moronic kit and the obscene damage.

I can't upvote this enough.

(You, and this thread, will get downvoted into oblivion however because Fiora is the most-mained champ in League and the people who play her are desperate for her to retain her current power and "easily exploitable weaknesses").

Weiner the PoohSep 16, 20152 votes

Actually what it did was make her early game weaker so her late game can be more rewarding.

ScarnMichaelScarSep 17, 20151 votes

of course it makes it more rewarding, but it doesn't make it any less bullshit how strong she is after 2 items

Learning momentSep 16, 20152 votes

QQ.... she still dies in 4 autos if she builds glass cannon. focus her for 2 seconds and shes dead at 50 minutes in.

ScarnMichaelScarSep 16, 20152 votes

item 3026 op 30% lifesteal op. aoe heal on target killing with ult op. you can't deny how ridiculous it is when she ults someone, they die, and then it's a 4v5 with a heal almost as strong as janna's ult.

if fiora gets the edge over one person in a teamfight she gets the edge over everyone.

N0rth WindSep 17, 20151 votes

Exactly. That's why her team wants to help her kill her ult target, and the enemy team wants to instantly eliminate her / protect the target.

If you let her do her job, she will dominate, cause that's her job.

Fyi it's much more than a Janna ultimate. 700 base + 300% bonus AD. With 250 bonus AD that's close to 1500 heal -- and that's cool. Don't let her pull off Grand Challenge. That's what high risk, high reward means.

YUSSSep 18, 20151 votes

Don't let her pull off Grand Challenge.

IF she has a team that has initiation. Shes going to pull it off. And there isn't anything anyone can do about it because her prescence opens up the possibility that the J4/Malphite/Thresh/Blitz can get away with pulling anyone on their team.

NarasimhaSep 17, 20152 votes

how easy it is to hit a weak point with fiora's dash.

You haven't played Fiora, have you? Her dash is HORRIBLE at hitting Vitals unless it's exactly in the direction you're facing.

And why shouldn't she have a strong late game? She IS a carry. That's the entire POINT of being a carry. Nerfing her base stats means its easier to beat her in lane and delay her power.

ConturbatioSep 17, 20151 votes

Her % max hp true dmg is like 3% of her total damage, her free crits are the problem since she can easily one-shot a squishy without even proc'ing any vitals, simply using Q-Tiamat-AA-E-AA-AA-Q and they're dead.

Though, I do agree her ult shouldn't heal her team that much, the heal should be reduced to 50% for teammates (unchanged for herself).

SasogwaSep 18, 20151 votes

that was actually a great nerf balance-wise. But I still think %health true damage with scaling is the most ridiculous stupid shit Riot has ever made. Just remove that shitty mechanic before it's too late.