HELLO MEDDLER? DO YOU REALISE THAT THERE IS SOMEONE COVERING 30% OF THE GAMES IN THE BOT LANE WHILE HOLDING A MASSIVE WIN RATE?
what's wrong with nerfing Jhin and giving him the mana cost that lucian and any caster in this game has?
Pika Fox30 votesHe is The Fast. Cant nerf what you cant catch.
RachelDawnAmber2 voteslol
34112354565210 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiZ7Vvof,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-10T18:34:47.315+0000)
He is The Fast. Cant nerf what you cant catch.
Too fast indeed. It is mind blowing that a champion with such disgusting stats aka the most played champion in the game but still boasting a winrate up to 52% is allowed to go free and terrorize both solo q and pro play. Hes an AD so it makes sense. Isnt this the exact same reason ezreal was nerfed a few months ago? Cause he had a 51% winrate and was the most played champ in the game? Jhins even easier than ezreal.
Its really not hard to see Riot is biased towards select few champs.
ZJD1234 votesToo fast indeed. It is mind blowing that a champion with such disgusting stats aka the most played champion in the game but still boasting a winrate up to 52% is allowed to go free and terrorize both solo q and pro play. Hes an AD so it makes sense. Isnt this the exact same reason ezreal was nerfed a few months ago? Cause he had a 51% winrate and was the most played champ in the game? Jhins even easier than ezreal.
Its really not hard to see Riot is biased towards select few champs.
I thought getting point and clicked for 1400 pre mitigation dmg was balanced? No?
Eedat1 votesI thought getting point and clicked for 1400 pre mitigation dmg was balanced? No?
Wow. Here you are again ending your Boards hiatus to immediately agree with 341123545652/Shawn again. You know, you didnt post not one single thing on this board for over two months but magically appeared to agree with 341123545652. A bit strange isnt it? You two seemed destined to be together xD
Warlord Rhinark3 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiZ7Vvof,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-10T18:34:47.315+0000)
He is The Fast. Cant nerf what you cant catch.
No matter how fast he runs, he still cannot run from the pain.
Pika Fox1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6O-lcK1vk&t=1s
I beg to differ
NekoniClaws11 votesThrow a tank at him. Seriously. Literally any tank. He'll start crying in champ select.
As an execute based ADC in a squishy meta Jhin is cosy as all hell right now. Unfortunately 
was SUCH A WELL THOUGHT OUT ITEM it's a LITTTTTLE busted on him too. I do accept a nerf on Jhin, but I'd prefer that item was changed somehow.
But don't ever be shocked by Jhin having high playrates. He literally hit trash-tier for about a month earlier this season and only went down to 15% playrate, (he averages just over 20% if he's even remotely viable) He's also (unlike Draven) playable to maximum efficiency for anyone who knows how to count to 4.
Daddy Ants2 votesThrow a tank at him. Seriously. Literally any tank. He'll start crying in champ select.
As an execute based ADC in a squishy meta Jhin is cosy as all hell right now. Unfortunately
But don't ever be shocked by Jhin having high playrates. He literally hit trash-tier for about a month earlier this season and only went down to 15% playrate, (he averages just over 20% if he's even remotely viable) He's also (unlike Draven) playable to maximum efficiency for anyone who knows how to count to 4.
I'd honestly prefer they nerf the abuse case champions directly (
) than gut the item for everyone else.
Remember 
?
2 specific champions were abuse cases - 
List of champions who ended up suffering from it: 
There's probably more I missed.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesActing like Varus didn't abuse Rageblade OMEGALUL
Do I really need to go get competitive play vods of ap varus killing people with just like 1 auto and ult?
NekoniClaws2 votes is used by the majority of ADC and is BEST suited for dip-in, dip-out, single-target burst (which I'm against for on ADCS.), or early-game'punisher' playstyles. And it's not like it's actually helping Tristana or Caitlyn to have in their builds if the Jhin/Jinx/Draven they're fighting just flat out benefits from it more. I'd try asking someone who mains them but I don't think they'd cry if it was rebalanced to suit ADCs a little more equally all round, and not so much those that deal high hit damage from extreme range.
ChaosThief2 votesStormrazer is also annoyingly good on assassins. It's basically a second duskblade (not to mention that it stacked with duskblade for extra duskblade-proc damage, but that's getting fixed.) It's not just marksmen that can abuse it, even if thy are the prime candidates.
Tahminatrix 8 votesI play jhin but I don't build on him, does that still count as abusing him?
Cause I feel like its more people abusing that item on him rather than him in general.
Oleandervine5 votesJhin isn't a problem? There are like 10-15 champions above him that are much more of a problem than he is.
D357R0Y3R10 votesah? explain then how is 53% win rate 30% pick rate balanced?
RachelDawnAmber1 votes'cause you're in bronze ?
D357R0Y3R8 votesdafuq? those are stats in plat/diamond
sad þoy2 votesdafuq? those are stats in plat/diamond
People in plat and diamond know how to shut a Jhin down.. thinking a Jhin player just whooped ya in a game and you felt this post necessary. Jhin seems to be the ONLY viable ADC in the bot lane after bot lane diversity.
D357R0Y3R7 votesif they know how to shut him down he wouldn't have broken stats
Jhin seems to be the ONLY viable ADC in the bot lane after bot lane diversity.
tier 1 bot lane champions according to opgg: jhin(53% win rate) miss fortune(53% win rate) jinx(53% win rate)
Pika Fox2 votesJhin and MF are early game ADCs and lane bullies, which are dominant after the ADC nerfs. Jinx also does fairly well early depending on your support.
I see no reason why this is "these are OP" and moreso "The champions theyre good against are weak atm".
D357R0Y3R1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiZ7Vvof,comment-id=0000000000010000000100000001,timestamp=2018-08-10T20:55:23.104+0000)
I see no reason why this is "these are OP" and moreso "The champions theyre good against are weak atm".
Except Jhin can lane against anyone, same with miss fortune who exactly is going to stomp jinx? draven has 53% win rate and 10% pick rate, he's a lane bully and is extremely strong, doesn't make jinx not having 53% win rate
it's not like You can outrange jhin since his Q bounces off minions, which is actually the reason why jhin has been such a good pick against cait whenever she was broken (both pro play and high elo) it's not like you can win all in too, or outlane him since his mana costs are literally the best in the adc class.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesHave you tried....not standing next to your caster creeps? Wow, never get hit by Q. Amazing concept.
D357R0Y3R1 votescould have said that for Lucian but they still gutted his Q mana cost
AirKingNeo6 votesthe guy who's consistency high diamond/masters is bronze
lol
Daddy Ants1 votesah? explain then how is 53% win rate 30% pick rate balanced?
It's not.
Lucian got nerfed when he had a 53% win rate with a 30% pick rate.
53% is on the high side, but honestly isn't that bad. Should chill my guy, counterplay potential is there.
That doesn't excuse the fact that there's a problem here.
53% win rate with a 30%+ pick rate is a HUGE problem.
Akali is SO HOT4 votesHe's a lot less cancer to play against than other ADCs tho. I'd much rather play against Jhin than Vayne, Kaisa, Trist, and Kalista
D357R0Y3R6 votesclassic "jhin is fun to play against" from people that do not play bot lane and lane against q spam jhin
Rexxiee4 votesThey should nerf his passive MS, maybe even remove it (or make it much more situational rather than basically every few seconds).
Makes him way too mobile when hes supposed to be immobile like jinx.
D357R0Y3R1 votesthey should just keep it on first second and third shot, forth shot shouldn't ghost him while he's reloading essentially removing all the counterplay he's supposed to have
also stop making him able to cast 15 Qs during laning phase
Vlada Cut4 votesHonestly, Jhin and Kai'Sa are Ezreal of Season 8. First Jhin abuses Stormrazor, then Hail of Blades,and now both at the same time. It's stressful enough to face him on his 1st item powerspike. He snowballs way too brutally with 1 item and a keystone such as Hail of Blades. I'm not saying he's unbeatable, I'm jist saying he's unfun to play against and is difficult to deal with if he's in the right hands. Touching his mana is as dangerous as it is with touching someones ad or as, imagine him having as much low mana as Vayne? It's like trying to farm minion waves as Jinx with rockets only.
Automated Riven2 votesLearn how to control the champion? And manage minions waves?
Vlada Cut1 votes[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiZ7Vvof,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-08-10T23:06:51.569+0000)
Learn how to control the champion? And manage minions waves?
Learn how to read. I was talking when playing AGAINST him, not AS him.
Automated Riven1 votesTouching his mana is as dangerous as it is with touching someones ad or as, imagine him having as much low mana as Vayne? It's like trying to farm minion waves as Jinx with rockets only.
Learn how to manage minions waves and control the champion.
Vlada Cut1 votes[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiZ7Vvof,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-11T17:44:28.426+0000)
Learn how to manage minions waves and control the champion.
Learn how not to be arrogant and read the one's post correctly. Thank you in advance.
Automated Riven1 votesThe argument I was replying too, was that if you nerf his Mana so he can't spam his q to farm he will be out of Mana and it's like csing with jinx in rocket form (which drains Mana on attack)
So my reply was completely applicable. (as I quoted)
Secondly, how is me saying that learning to play the game better will aliviate those struggles, being arrogant? If you manage the minion wave so you don't have to use Q to cs and last hit properly with his unique 4 shots and cooldown paridimn, you won't have much trouble with csing even with a lower CD.
I'm not being arrogant saying to play better. IMHO it should be common sense to at least try to get better at the game before you complain about things. FFS I am silver 1. You really think that I am holding myself up as being a godlike player. I trash tier at this game and I know it. That doesn't mean that I can't accept that there are basic things one can do to get better.
But if it makes you feel better I will rephrase. Jhin can learn to control his champion and manage the wave better.
mack91122 votesI feel like be is good because he can be super far from a fight and still have an impact since if anything squishy is present in teamfights they just get immediately nukes
Fear the Kayn2 votesMaybe just nerf his Q scaling on minions a little bit. I think Jhin's overall kit is extremely well balanced, and in a 1v1 Jhin should have a shit ton of damage because of his innate immobility.
Athenes Lulu2 votesgood to see boards being good ol boards again :^)
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I have no idea what you're on, I haven't won a game with jhin the past week. Nor a kai'sa, nor a tristana, nor a jinx.
That says something about YOU, not the champions...
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Flashes1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fate Fire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiZ7Vvof,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-08-11T12:53:08.274+0000)
Even if we're 10/0 bot lane while the other three are combined 2/36?
Then that says something about the people that you've played with. That just means you got unlucky in matchmaking.
Horse Grenades1 votesIt’s the item synergy, not the champ. Leave him alone
Noor Sakata1 votesBeing a good champion just because other marksmen are weak af in early doesn't mean he is broken , he is pretty good but not broken , and we have to admit , this whole Jhin needs nerfs started just because of a single keystone that was released newly , but there are people who don't even use that Keystone , like for example I enjoy Fleetwork Jhin , nerfing him is a problem for other keystones users , so you want a champion to be nerfed because of a single keystone's fault and because most of other marksmen got kicked out of the meta ?
The Ecdysiast1 votesAs other threads have stated, it's not Jhin. It's the fact the items were changed so heavily in his favor, to the detriment of everyone else. It's the items, not Jhin.
