Right now or you will break the game
there is no fucking way IE 3200 gold and zeal items 2600 gold will be balanced on 
when we gave her +150% damage on passive, or gave critting rockets to 
oh and 
had 42% win rate after the changes so we gave him more base ad and less crit penality
this needs to be reverted asap
Fízz v213 votesWas just about to make a thread saying that they HAVE to nerf Yasuo if those PBE changes go live. I mean he is already pretty overpowered since Conqueror but a 600* gold cheaper core with no compensation nerf at all except going from 60 to 50% crit at 1 item is insane.
Rathar Dashing10 votesbut conquerer got -4 AD at level one so that means it's balanced now.
Highwiseene13 votesA) The IE still doesn't burst squishies as hard as old IE did B) Base stat nerfs are still in the game
Daddy Ants11 votesA) The IE still doesn't burst squishies as hard as old IE did B) Base stat nerfs are still in the game
The circlejerk seems to forget vital details like this.
yay nibbers7 votesGameplay Boards was a mistake
saltran6 votesRemove the Gameplay Boards
Zed genius11 votesThe base ad on yasuo should get reverted if that's the case, but the crit penalty was reduced duo to the lack of the crit damage increase from IE
Mizaya8 votesDamn, I put all that effort into learning swain bot and now Riot's making crit adcs viable again?!?!?!? Wtf riot!
Chembaron Yamada9 votesYeah, how dare they trying to make an entire class of champions even remotely playable. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
They said all the time that they want crit marksmen to be viable, they just try to find a spot in which crit marksmen are a viable pick without pushing everything else out of bot lane.
Colton1477 votesKeep 's buffs, as she is desperately in needed of them.
MetaVolca63 votesFuck no, whenever Cait is strong nobody can play into her. She has range for the sake of damage.
2Charmnot2Charm16 votesI swear if cait becomes meta after this im perma banning her *** again.
Stupid champ pisses me off to no end.
SugeMinPikk35 votesOh boy, I get to play "dance around the traps for 15 minutes just to cs" every time I play ADC!!
CppL5 votesYes cause those 1.5k headshots late game so fucking balanced...
Daddy Ants4 votesYes cause those 1.5k headshots late game so fucking balanced...
She's not hitting 1.5k since IE lost it's old passive.
Stop being a drama queen.
Z3Sleeper9 votesWas just wondering how much she could actually do.
Used Red Pot + 1 Infernal though, kinda cheating. But I think my build is ass too.
But yeah, her passive does 225% AD and can crit for a total of 425% AD and gets bonus damage from traps that equals 240 +100% bAD.
In total that's 240 +425% tAD +100% bAD.
Dunno if my math is wrong or something but against a 0 armor target with 300 AD that's already over 1500.
PS: This image is from PBE where IE has 10 less AD and grants 5% less true damage.
HeeroTX1 votesZ3Sleeper2 votesI'm not saying it isn't hard to get to that point nor that people will have 0 armor. I mean, the dummy has 100 armor in that shot.
I just wanted to see if she could actually do ~1500, which she can.
Also that image is from PBE where IE is nerfed in damage. (-10 AD, -5% true damage conversion)
T I L T B O I1 votesWas just wondering how much she could actually do.
Used Red Pot + 1 Infernal though, kinda cheating. But I think my build is ass too.
But yeah, her passive does 225% AD and can crit for a total of 425% AD and gets bonus damage from traps that equals 240 +100% bAD.
In total that's 240 +425% tAD +100% bAD.
Dunno if my math is wrong or something but against a 0 armor target with 300 AD that's already over 1500.
PS: This image is from PBE where IE has 10 less AD and grants 5% less true damage.
yeah lets totally ignore armor so that this 1500 isn't changed into a 700-900 damage attack at full build
Z3Sleeper3 votesTarget dummy has 100 armor.
Daddy Ants7 votesIt's not a full revert to pre 8.11
Read the PBE changes.
is losing -15 AD and -5% true damage conversion.
are all losing 5% crit strike chance.
DragonShea19 votesTHEY ARE NOT REVERTING CRIT
Read the PBE changes.
apart from IE, this is a stealth buff. the 5% crit chance was in excess due to IE doubling crit chance. games are ending at the 25-30 mark so it's gonna make crit champs power spike faster than normal.
Terozu2 votesWha?
They are all being nerfed.
Unless cost is being lowered this is a flat out nerf.
TonyTonyMordecai3 votesThe costs are being lowered. IE is back to 3200, and the zeal items I think are back to 2600.
saltran2 votesBack to 2700*
TonyTonyMordecai1 votesI just checked again and it looks like they did a second patch. Thanks for correcting me
saltran2 votesAnd also add that IE has 70 ad and not 65.
Kadexe8 votesNot really a "stealth" buff, it's just a plain buff. The whole point of these changes to is to nerf lategame ADC damage more, while at the same time helping them to scale up faster.
D357R0Y3R10 votesthe zeal item nerf doesn't matter because in the end IE doubles crit chance and you go from 120% crit chance(pointless) to 100% crit chance
The steam life4 votesBut it does because you have a 50% chance to crit at one zeal item
Noor Sakata7 votesThey won't recert Cait xD first they need to sell pool party u know
Colton1475 votes is a very mechanically intensive champion and has a very high skill ceiling
Daddy Ants2 votes
No she isn't.
Low Skill Floor..... Medium Skill ceiling.
Highwiseene4 votesNo, she has a very high skill ceiling. Trap placement both preemptively and reactionary are skills that take a long time to master. It's kind of like GP- sure comboing isn't all that hard, but knowing how to use your barrels and when to put them down takes a decent amount of practice.
BakedLotion2 votesplacing a trap in a correct place doesn't make a champion have a high skill ceiling.
Every champion has something they have to master. It doesn't make them have a high skill ceiling
Highwiseene4 votes"placing an azir soldier in the correct place doesn't make a champion have a high skill ceiling."
Micro management of mechanics like cait traps, go barrels, and azir soldiers are things that increase a champions skill cap. Learning to position them around yourself, then learning around your enemies, then around your teammates, then your enemies, then your enemies reaction to teammates, etc all play a big part in the skill cap of a champion. This is why high tier lck players can play azir while average NA challenger players can't play him anywhere near as well-he's all about micro managing his soldiers, generally around what the enemy wants to accomplish. Caitlyn traps are a similar and toned down version of that.
Compare her to other adcs like ashe, mf, and ezreal. What do they have to worry about besides simple positioning to maximize dps and stay alive?
BakedLotion1 votesWhat does cait have to worry about besides simply placing traps in a correct place? She's insanely forgiving with her range and escape.
She literally has nothing to master but her traps.
Wanna know what Azir has to master? More than placing sand soldiers.
Being less easy than other easy adcs doesn't make her hard.
OtterlyLost3 votesWhat does cait have to worry about besides simply placing traps in a correct place? She's insanely forgiving with her range and escape.
She literally has nothing to master but her traps.
Wanna know what Azir has to master? More than placing sand soldiers.
Being less easy than other easy adcs doesn't make her hard.
What does Azir have to worry about besides simply placing his soldiers in the correct place?
He's insanely forgiving with his range and escape.
He has literally nothing to master beyond his soldiers.
Wanna know what Cait has to master? More than place yordle snap traps.
Being less easy than other mages doesn't make him hard.
chipndip14 votesDidn't you say you quit the game over crit marskmen being weak?
Ok sure but why3 votesThey're reverting crit?
MetaVolca20 votesNot a full revert.
Infinity Edge New Recipe: [B. F. Sword + Pickaxe + 1025g] Total cost lowered from 3600 to 3200 AD lowered from 80 to 65 Crit as true damage lowered from 15% to 10%
Basically everything else lost 5% crit chance and costs 300 less gold.
Tahminatrix 6 votesBasically everything else lost 5% crit chance and costs 300 less gold.
Its 1k gold cheaper to get full crit now (infinity edge lowered by 400) double zeal items now costs 600 less
The minus 5% crit chance will hurt up until then , it wont hurt then because that's just removing the overage that we have.
Now about 
and 
, can riot remove the cringe on combining those too, just like the wasted crit rate?
Kadexe7 votesI think the larger problem with Randuin right now is that it's supposed to be an anti-crit item, but Infinity Edge crits do true damage that negate the passive.
Ok sure but why23 votesSo they're just making everything weaker and cheaper to force us into the "late" game so much earlier on?
cringeeee
Kadexe9 votesNo, this is good. Some ADCs still have kind-of-decent winrates because they're still so strong lategame. But they feel like crap to play because they're so weak early and finish their items very slowly. This could solve both problems without making ADCs dominant again.
LordGeovanni2 votesAll this means is they will crowd out supposed to be good mid and early game champions. Late game champions should feel bad if you dont get to late game Either change their late game scaling and put it into early game or leave them as is not make their late game come in the mid game which is exactly why crit changes happened in the first place.
Also they making crit items cheaper are they gonna Make the other items the gave gold buffs more expensive again
etc
Daddy Ants5 votesNot a full revert.
Infinity Edge New Recipe: [B. F. Sword + Pickaxe + 1025g] Total cost lowered from 3600 to 3200 AD lowered from 80 to 65 Crit as true damage lowered from 15% to 10%
Basically everything else lost 5% crit chance and costs 300 less gold.
The Zeal item changes should have been done before 8.15 imo.
On Live right now.
is technically 120% critical strike chance.
Considering the hard cap for crit is 100%, 20% critical strike chance worth of stats and gold are going to waste.
According to Lolwiki, 1% critical strike chance is worth approximately 40 gold so that's 800 gold worth of stats being completely wasted just by building your standard 3 core items on a Crit ADC.
Seer of Mind2 voteswhen did they say that they we're reverting crit items, link ?
Zeromatsu4 voteshttp://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/07/718-pbe-update-continued-akali-testing.html#balance
Not reverting but lowering prices.
