When riot talked about counterplay and reaction time

Succubús GF·Oct 13, 2017·3 votes·364 views

Then this happened Probable the lb of season 4 to be fucking honest. He straight up one shots anything

16 Comments

xSightlessxOct 13, 20173 votes

Wow. Its like he is an assassin or something.

Succubús GFOct 13, 20171 votes

See the thing is I wouldn't give a shit. If every other assassin didn't have the fattest fucking delay. Lb waits 2 seconds Ahri got nerfed to where she cant really all in. Kat has to wait in a lot of scenarios. Shall I continue?

xSightlessxOct 13, 20172 votes

Rengar nukes, teemo toplane snowballs, fizz existing, talon and his delicious burst combo. Ill give you a hint to beating kayn seeing as i play him. Deaths dance plus thornmail plus averice blade. Those threed allow you to outlast him. Dun complain, just learn to outplay

Succubús GFOct 13, 20171 votes

Rengar at least has an indicator and you generally know when hes coming Teemo isn't even an assassin lolol Talon has 100% counterplay Just bc you are a kayn main and don't want to see your main punished for being broken doesn't mean he shouldn't be

xSightlessxOct 13, 20172 votes

When did i say he wasnt broken. Raahst has a disgusting amount of combat sustain. The items i reccomend are to help out till they patch. I love kayn but he does need a healthy ammount of tweeks. I was gonna make him my main main....but I am having far to much fun with the new evelynn. Again im not saying kayn isnt broken, im just saying we cant do much about it at the moment so have this possible solution till nerfing ensues.

ParoeOct 13, 20171 votes

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When did i say he wasnt broken. Raahst has a disgusting amount of combat sustain. The items i reccomend are to help out till they patch. I love kayn but he does need a healthy ammount of tweeks. I was gonna make him my main main....but I am having far to much fun with the new evelynn. Again im not saying kayn isnt broken, im just saying we cant do much about it at the moment so have this possible solution till nerfing ensues.

Im still waiting for the Varus rework when he gets the Darkin sustain... Kaynes sustain needs to be a HoT. instead of instant, it should be "kayne heals xx% of the damage he deals over three seconds" It would help a lot with the percieved problem of his healing... But his damage is fine where it is.

BârdOct 13, 20171 votes

Avarice blade hasn't been a thing for a long time now.

xSightlessxOct 13, 20171 votes

Is it not averice? The one that builds into mortal reminder?

BârdOct 13, 20171 votes

Executioners Calling.

Avarice was the 800 gold crit item that gave Gp10 and built into Shiv.

xSightlessxOct 13, 20171 votes

Oh, woopsy. Thanks for that correction.

BârdOct 13, 20173 votes

Assassins are supposed to have enough warning that you can register the threat and attempt to escape before you die.

Kayn works for this.

If you face check a SA in a bush, you made a huge mistake and pay for it with your life appropriately.

Otherwise, SA Kayn has to walk through a wall to get to his target, which gives you a visual warning.

Also, both his Q and W have a slight delay before they deal their damage. It's not much, but it's enough that you can flash out of it before you get oneshot if you're paying attention.

Succubús GFOct 13, 20171 votes

True but that's just face checking in general

If you face check a SA in a bush, you made a huge mistake and pay for it with your life appropriately.

Actual the visual warning is very poor and also somewhat hard to notice unless you are staring at the wall and also doesn't help that in a lot of areas it blends for people who don't generally have 20/20 eyesight

Otherwise, SA Kayn has to walk through a wall to get to his target, which gives you a visual warning.

The delay on w is so slight so I'm not sure what you mean. Also are you suggesting I use a summoner spell that's ona 4 minute cooldown for a spell he gets every 5-10 seconds?

Also, both his Q and W have a slight delay before they deal their damage. It's not much, but it's enough that you can flash out of it before you get oneshot if you're paying attention.

BârdOct 13, 20171 votes

If you have good eyesight, the marker is easy to see if you're paying attention to what's going on around you.
If you have bad eyesight, to the point where you can't make out what's happening on screen, Riot can't fix that. If you're colorblind, sure they can help but there's some things you just can't expect them to fix.
You have a good half second before Kayn's W and the Q spin hits, which is more than enough time to react and flash out.
I'm not saying you have to flash every time Kayn uses W. If he's going for a kill, however, yeah no shit you need to flash. If he doesn't hit either, he no longer has the damage he needs to kill you and doesn't have the necessary CD's to escape, meaning you can often turn a fight on its head, scoring a return kill. If you get tagged by one, he can ult you if you were too close when he Q'd at you and you didn't blink into the fog, but his W will still be down for a while, so you can put him in a poor position and use that in the ensuing fight.

SalronOct 13, 20171 votes

Even Kayn has a Delay on W

ReySolomonOct 13, 20171 votes

It's not that there's no counterplay it's just he's too strong for any of us to even do anything because by the time we react kayn Ulted then we're dead.

xSightlessxOct 13, 20171 votes

how to counter kayn. cc him. thats it. cc the crap out of him.