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Either Darius needs buffed or Pyke needs nerfed, currently theres no reason to play the former.

Hibeki·12/26/2019, 2:20:39 AM·1 votes·1,210 views

Darius is a juggernaut who is a tanky target because of his ult decimating fights. Pyke is a support who is slippery, and does the same thing but better. His ult is AOE, can splash, is a dash, and gives double kill gold. All of these things better than Darius.

Right off the bat, Pyke ult almost completely matches Darius's ult in base damage, but better because it scales with level rather than rank. Pyke also double dips off all his items for his damage scaling on it.

With level 1 ult is 260 damage [200 + (40 x 1.5)]. With level 1 ult is 306 damage [250 + (50 x .8) + (8.8 x 1.5) rounded] . Already his Ult is a sizeable chunk better than Darius. This gap is further spread until level 11 when Darius gets his level 2 ult, which would be:

With (If you went an extremely aggressive build) is 580 damage [400 + (120 x 1.5)]. with is 559 damage [430 + (110 x .8) + (27 x 1.5) rounded]. With an extremely aggressive Darius build, he just barely beats Pyke's ult. This again, is further spread until level 16.

At which point, Darius needs about 3 offense items against Pykes 4 to compete with his ult damage. This is WITH pykes benefit of AOE, resettable, dashing, gold giving execute. Darius will not be building that much damage, so almost all the time pyke will be doing more.

There clearly needs to be a power budget here because both compete for the same role but one does it by far better almost all of the time

15 Comments

WoonStruck12/26/2019, 2:32:25 AM5 votes

Your data is disingenuous because you don't consider noxian might.

Darius crushes Pyke's ult numbers regardless of build.

Keiaga12/26/2019, 3:17:28 AM5 votes

LMAO. You honestly trying to make the comparison between an immobile toplane juggernaut and a stealthy assassin support? Because they're two champions of many in the roster with an execute ult? Its hard to think of ways you could make them MORE different.

How do you feel about tires and donuts? Same surface appearance so they must be interchangeable right?

5050BS12/26/2019, 8:09:20 PM3 votes

WTF

You are saying this.

Veigar needs buffs or Yasuo needs nurfs else there is no reason to play the former.

They are apples to oranges man.

Skia Asteri12/26/2019, 8:18:48 PM3 votes

You know what Darius has that Pyke does not? A positive win rate. And like Pyke , Darius 's win rate goes up at higher ranks. And while his popularity falls off in Diamond & Masters+, it is worth pointing out that the win rate of Darius sky rockets to 57.6% at Master+. And it is not like he becomes a champion only played by an handful of one tricks at that level, he is the 12th most picked top laner at master+ with a 5.5% pick rate.

metroman45012/26/2019, 8:04:26 PM2 votes

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Darius is a juggernaut who is a tanky target because of his ult decimating fights. Pyke is a support who is slippery, and does the same thing but better. His ult is AOE, can splash, is a dash, and gives double kill gold. All of these things better than Darius.

Right off the bat, Pyke ult almost completely matches Darius's ult in base damage, but better because it scales with level rather than rank. Pyke also double dips off all his items for his damage scaling on it.

With level 1 ult is 260 damage [200 + (40 x 1.5)]. With level 1 ult is 306 damage [250 + (50 x .8) + (8.8 x 1.5) rounded] . Already his Ult is a sizeable chunk better than Darius. This gap is further spread until level 11 when Darius gets his level 2 ult, which would be:

With (If you went an extremely aggressive build) is 580 damage [400 + (120 x 1.5)]. with is 559 damage [430 + (110 x .8) + (27 x 1.5) rounded]. With an extremely aggressive Darius build, he just barely beats Pyke's ult. This again, is further spread until level 16.

At which point, Darius needs about 3 offense items against Pykes 4 to compete with his ult damage. This is WITH pykes benefit of AOE, resettable, dashing, gold giving execute. Darius will not be building that much damage, so almost all the time pyke will be doing more.

There clearly needs to be a power budget here because both compete for the same role but one does it by far better almost all of the time

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Summoner SpeII12/26/2019, 2:22:19 AM1 votes

pyke is already pretty nerfed from the aftershock nerfs imo, he doesnt have the amount of safety that he used to but he is still definitely a strong pick. there are other champions that are more concerning for nerfs imo, like fucking vlad.