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Make Evelynn great again

Dominick Destine··9 votes·6,330 views

http://champion.gg/champion/Evelynn Evelynn's win rate has been steadily slipping. Yes, she had a brief spike when the game was all but broken (Ex: DARK FRENZY REMOVED FIZZ ULT LOL), but that aside from that she's being doing progressively worse.

I suspect it has a lot to do with the nerfs to her primary itemization, jungle changes, gradual nerfs to TLD and just a generally shit skillset.... also the nerf to Dark Frenzy and removal of Runeglaive which both decreased her win rate slightly.

In my opinion,** Evelynn's ravage is they key**. It's a single target, point and click nuke that has exactly one claim to fame; It applies on hit effects. It is one of the most boring, gimmicky moves in the game. I would be very pleased if they scrap it altogether and give her a skillshot that had some sort of utility.

Say.... similar to old Ravage that chunked MR/Armor. Maybe reduce the damage but give it the armor/MR shred. Point being; Evelynn's win rate and per-game performance has been getting worse, I think this is something that needs to be addressed because, with the addition of Hextech itemry and nerf of some of her major predators (Rengar/Xin Zhao) it feels as if she should be doing better, not worse.

Thoughts on?

Don't get me wrong; Evelynn is still in a good spot at the moment and I am NOT asking for buffs but she has been seeing a steady decline in performance....if the trend continues, she will become underpowered. I don't want straight Evelynn buffs, I just want Ravage to stop being such a shit skill. That's all she needs.

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46 Comments

genya032 votes

She needs a buff. She's a great Jungler, but Riot decided to "If the champion has a 60%+ winrate, they are consider overpowered." I like Evelynn, but after her skills that got reworked, Riot just fu@#ed her more after that. Now she's is either good or just bad.

Dominick Destine3 votes

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She needs a buff.

No she does not, or if she does get a buff, it has to be a very small one.

She is still performing within acceptable parameters.

genya031 votes

Ok, minor buff I would agree.

Urgot x BDSM2 votes

Just give her some base stats and she will be fine. Her first clear is worse then the one of jungle Teemo and I'm not even joking

Dominick Destine5 votes

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J\Her first clear is worse then the one of jungle Teemo and I'm not even joking

That is intentional.

The idea is to diminish her very early game threat before purple wards are more readily accessible to the enemy team.... she's not like Lee Sin or Xin Zhao who can clear a good chunk of the jungle and still be very sturdy enough for a gank.

Mistress Shyvana1 votes

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That is intentional.

The idea is to diminish her very early game threat before purple wards are more readily accessible to the enemy team.... she's not like Lee Sin or Xin Zhao who can clear a good chunk of the jungle and still be very sturdy enough for a gank.

I never understood this, ruin her early so she has no chance of getting going when shes all but useless without an early kill or two.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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I never understood this, ruin her early so she has no chance of getting going when shes all but useless without an early kill or two.

It forces the Evelynn player to choose between a safer route (Farm the jungle) or a risky early gank.

Evelynn is not Lee Sin. She has risks involved in her play and I would not want them to be removed.

Anu3isII1 votes

Have you tried Talisman start and Golems -> Chickens -> Red Buff route? Golems give you that nice stun that works perfectly well with your E, and the chickens literally heal you and allow you to have the 2nd Smite for Red Buff.

After that, you do what you want... in general I prefer to gank tho xD

ShinkoMinori1 votes

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Have you tried Talisman start and Golems -> Chickens -> Red Buff route? Golems give you that nice stun that works perfectly well with your E, and the chickens literally heal you and allow you to have the 2nd Smite for Red Buff.

After that, you do what you want... in general I prefer to gank tho xD

Chickens... pffff

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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Chickens... pffff

I still don't know what their real names are.

Hail Gromp, and his pitiful underlings the ancient golem, the double golems, the elder lizard, and their pets, the wolves and the chickens.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

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I still don't know what their real names are.

Hail Gromp, and his pitiful underlings the ancient golem, the double golems, the elder lizard, and their pets, the wolves and the chickens.

Are called Raptors lol and double golems are Krugs, there is no elder lizard anymore, is Brambleback or something

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Raptors

Crimson Raptors.

Rockman1 votes

Is AD Tank Eve not a thing anymore? I would of thought with Bloodrazer people would of started playing it again.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Is AD Tank Eve not a thing anymore? I would of thought with Bloodrazer people would of started playing it again.

Bloodrazor is awful on Evelynn.

You'd only get a (slight) damage increase against tanks and only in long engages.... plus you'd have to be a terrible Evelynn player to prioritize tanks.

Warrior is better than Bloodrazor for Evelynn and Warrior isn't very good either...

Aazzlano1 votes

I disagree with a lot of what you say.. Rengar isn't a predator for her, but prey, and Ravage is like her only good spell outside of her Q cause its spammable. Her W is shit after the removal of the passive movement speed, her Ult got nerfed into oblivion by cutting the scaling in half and making it current health damage with no minimum damage, but E got a really nice buff by letting it apply double onhit effects. I think it defines how she plays. I think something needs to be done with her Ult... the scaling on it is horrible. 100 AP for 1% CURRENT HEALTH? with no minimum or base damage? bleh

Maybe make the scaling true damage, but the base damage still magical. At least the horrible scaling will have some utility and it won't even be that much and it won't buff her current success cases (target has no MR) and instead help her when she is counterbuilt, but only when she specs for it and not in a tank build. Also it will help because building MPen on her now isn't as good as it was before because her E is physical now. Or make the scaling on it % max health (again, leaving the base damage as current health) Also the fact that her ult is so good when hitting entire teams detracts from how good it is allowed to be in a 1v1/assassination attempt (it's pretty bad, but still required a lot of the time to get a kill and survive) and how it's cooldown is so ridiculously high for no reason. At least it will give more justification for those things..

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Rengar isn't a predator for her, but prey

Ahahahaha good luck safely farming the jungle.

Rengar destroys Evelynn early game... and Evelynn is unlikely to escape an early skirmish against a Rengar.

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Surr20plz1 votes

MEGA! MEGA!

Also dom add me! I want to watch your eve matches!

Dominick Destine1 votes

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MEGA! MEGA!

Also dom add me! I want to watch your eve matches!

How about you add me instead?

YuGiHo1 votes

i agree.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Here is my evidence that I know what I am talking about; I have been playing Evelynn for 5 years (6 if you count my earliest banned account) Know that I am not lying. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dominick+destine

Click the "Champions bar" to the left and hit Evelynn to see exactly what I mean.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

TBH I feel more people should do this; you posted a below 50% win rate which takes balls but you showed you're clearly contributing to wins with Eve games. The rest of the other stats which I do think is important to look at before judging your Eve skills are actually irrelevant to the topic we are talking about which is why I don't use it as relevant arguing point to prove you wrong.

Now with my opinion. I do agree with the point of her Ravage. The problem was I think Eve saw the most build changes in the past few years than other champs. Remember when people only built her hybrid? When they only built her AP? Then that AD jungle item? She's seen too much itemization changes and not enough compensation buffs to balance her the right way. IMO she was a bit strong not too long ago thus seeing her slip from her current win% is not all too surprising. Also certain champs which do well against Eve are currently strong now too. Some mages that are strong atm can stand toe-to-toe against Eve at least if they can survive that initial burst.

If Eve isn't going to have the same burst and assassination potential as a gold deprived assassin way behind you, then at least give her some form of survival methods when she engages. It makes 0 sense Zed can engage and escape better even if he's far more behind than Eve. I get that junglers usually are gold deprived in comparison to their laning peers but this is ridiculous. It's not even just this though. Balance in this game is god awful right now. They're buffing champs that don't need buffs, keeping and protecing champs they think will market the game (Zed/Ekko/Lee/Janna/etc), and have 0 real intentions of balancing champs. Their primary focus is marketing so they keep "cool play making champs" strong and in the meta which in turn earns them more money. What experienced players like you and I think and feel? Riot doesn't care. We've bought most of the skins and RP we will spend. Most of what we spend will be on very special occasions. They want all these newer casual players. How to cater to them faster than taking years to do it? Dynamic Queue + buffing more freelo champs you can get triple with by punching keyboard.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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TBH I feel more people should do this; you posted a below 50% win rate which takes balls

That's a nice backhanded compliment, especially given that we're rated exactly the same (Plat 4).

Lol.

But since you chose to get nasty, your stats per game are far lower than mine, and the stats on my main make the stats on your main look like utter garbage.

The rest of your comment was pointless; My argument is simple; Instead of ravage being point-and-click, make it a skillshot and give it a little bit of utility. It is easily the worst part of her kit and it can be modified without breaking her.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

No it wasn't a backhanded compliment. I was giving you more credibility for people who don't know shit in the forums and gave you legitimacy. I wasn't making this out to be that you're a bad player. But a below 50% win rate is basically a decaying stat. Individual game stats don't fucking matter either since I only put fill as my role and I play all roles (meaning most of my stats get diluted into support kda stats). I won't make excuses for my stats though. I've been having a very very bad streak recently also coupled with the fact I just simply don't play too much. Completely deserving but this is simply a slump. I will get back to where I was in a week.

Next: You - 285W 314L Me - 240W 235L Individual stats don't matter. majority of your games you shown you lose more than you win whereas the opposite for me. And RANK is about consistency. It doesn't matter if your "main" stats are better than mine if you are so inconsistent of a player. But my original comment was saying even if you might have inconsistent win rate percentage, you def know what you're talking about as an Eve player. If you read the rest of my comment, it's supporting the fact that Eve should either get a skillshot E or a form of rework that either buffs her as a front line bruiser or gives her burst as an assassin to offset her current decaying state. But nice to see you've got such an ego even though you're at 48% win rate. I'm on a bad streak NOW making me fall from 54% to 51%. It's simply going to take time to get back to where I was. I don't know about you though.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Individual game stats don't fucking matter

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

It really doesn't. How you got out of fucking bronze amazes me with that kind of mindset. Your % shows you're definitely decaying if not slowly unless you change something soon so you can pat yourself on the back all you want. So ONE game you do well makes up for most of your games being bad? That makes 0 sense. No one gives a damn if you carry hard in one game if you can't play consistently. Consistency is what matters which you show very little of.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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It really doesn't. (Performance doesn't matter)

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Your % shows you're definitely decaying

Once again, you talk trash and yet your performance is significantly worse than mine.

We're both Plat 4. So you're awfully brave for talking trash given your atrocious stats.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

So let me guess. Someone who's got better KDA than you in bronze is better than you huh? You have almost 100 more losses than me and not even half of that over me in wins. That also means you've played way more games than me and managed even worse win rate percentage. Not to mention I never started attacking you; you just misinterpreted it as it is. You started with personal attacks so I'm doing it to. I cannot believe there are idiots who pay more attention to individual games than your consistency rating because that's ALL that rank is about. No one cares what you get in one game if you can't manage that stat consistently

AKA you're "game stats" are a fluke. You cannot generate them at a consistent enough level.

Both of our MMR is quite lower than average. At your MMR you should be high gold and you probably are getting matched with gold players too. But again I'm simply in a slump. What about you?

Dominick Destine1 votes

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So let me guess. Someone who's got better KDA than you in bronze is better than you huh?

You and I are in the same bracket.

Your entire argument fails miserably.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

No it doesn't. You're just continuously proving to everyone you don't know how to read simple game stats. You have almost 100 more losses than me and only like 40 more wins than me. Rank tier/division = ONLY cosmetics. You should be in high gold and you will be soon.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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No it doesn't.

You are talking a lot of trash. You are a (SIGNIFICANTLY) worse player than me.

That's all that needs to be said. The only thing that matters is per-game performance and yours is utter garbage.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

Oh also if you don't know how to read game stats, don't use it. I FILL as my role so I play all roles but I get support majority of my games. No matter how well I do even if I play better at those roles than you, my average KDA will always be diluted into my support stats. Can't believe someone who doesn't know how to understand consistency > individual game stats and doesn't know how to read basic stats made it to plat. Wait a minute. Dynamic Queue. I'm not surprised. I mean honestly we can come back in a month and see where our stats lie. You're decaying period. You show you will almost certainly lose if you aren't playing your go to champs whereas I can expend any roles and play much more champs than you. So on top of being a more versatile, fluid, team oriented player than you with much better consistency I can provide a lot of coverage for team weaknesses better than you.

An AP Sona that takes no skill can get a good KDA. Doesn't mean shit. And finally this game isn't about getting kills. It's about your ability to win. Players in bronze can't understand why they can't fucking win games when they get so many kills CONSISTENTLY too. Gee I wonder why. You're one of those people who probably got boosted via dynamic queue. Sure you know how to play Eve but she has never been quite that difficult to play. All you gotta do is timing and abusing stealth which honestly isn't even that hard of a mechanic.

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

Not without a rework, lol

Invisibility is dumb, nobody likes it - people only tolerate it because most of the invisible champs are either shyt or only have severely limited invisibility.

Nameless Voice1 votes

I hate that Eve is the assassin who, even when fed and building pure damage items, is still out-damaged by any other assassin with a lower level and worse items, while also being made of paper even more than most other assassins (or anyone else, for that matter.) She is insanely risky (as an assassin), having no gapcloser and limited escape ability in her kit, yet despite that she also has seriously under-par damage too. For example, Kha'zix's skills do 380% of his bonus AD to isolated targets with evolved Q, plus a strong bonus per level. Eve gets 155% AP - and AP is certainly not 2.5 times cheaper than AD. Kha'zix also has an easy escape (probably only at level 11).

I also feel she's become extremely weak in season 6. I can't even manage to break a 50% winrate with my main champion any more. The environment just isn't good for her. She has her stealth and her early-game ganks, but even when she's ahead, you're better off having any other assassin on your team instead of her. I begin to feel that picking her is just a way to lose games.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XbtP3hdE,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-05-29T02:01:55.964+0000)

I hate that Eve is the assassin who, even when fed and building pure damage items, is still out-damaged by any other assassin with a lower level and worse items, while also being made of paper even more than most other assassins (or anyone else, for that matter.)

That's intentional.

She's not meant to face enemies head-on. She's meant to pick her battles even when fed, to attack when the enemy is low or has their cooldowns up. The idea is to use shadow walk to assault an enemy when Evelynn has the advantage.

If the Evelynn player attacks someone that is full HP with everything up, that Evelynn player sucks. That's why she's weaker than the other assassins. She's meant to attack others when they're not ready or otherwise wounded.

She is insanely risky (as an assassin), having no gapcloser and limited escape ability in her kit, yet despite that she also has seriously under-par damage too.

I agree. But again, that's the price she pays for shadow walk.

I also feel she's become extremely weak in season 6. I can't even manage to break a 50% winrate with my main champion any more. The environment just isn't good for her.

I have a 60% win rate with her with almost 200 games played. A few years ago I was #3 Evelynn world.

She is not underpowered right now, but she is on the borderline of needing a VERY VERY slight buff..... items like Steraks gage, buffs to Maw of Malmortius, removal of runeglaive and the nerf to Dark Frenzy have all gradually chipped away at her power.

She has her stealth and her early-game ganks, but even when she's ahead, you're better off having any other assassin on your team instead of her. I begin to feel that picking her is just a way to lose games.

No wonder you can't break 50% win rate on her. Her early game ganks are garbage. Evelynn is a mid to late game character, not an early game one.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Right, but it still feels really bad that if you meet someone accidentally, they are almost guaranteed to kill you before you can kill them or escape, even if you're fed and they're not. It makes her especially vulnerable to being invaded, too.

I disagree about her not being underpowered, at least as an assassin. She most certainly is, intentionally so because Riot don't like her playstyle. That's why people often play her as an off-tank instead. There's a reason why her highest winrate build is a fighter/tank instead of an assassin. She's not woefully underpowered, just a bit. You wouldn't be asking for a slight buff if she wasn't. I'd love to see her power shifted around more so that she's more effective as the actual assassin that she's supposed to be.

By early-game I meant in the range of levels 3-11 or so, which is more early-mid. By late game, she tends to fall off heavily because the enemy team at that point loves to cluster up as a solid group, and Evelynn is awful at assassinating anyone who is protected by the rest of their team. She needs a team to work around, with a proper initiator, so she can run in during the distraction and do her thing. That kind of teamwork tends not to happen in solo queue, where people seem to just love picking the squishiest, no-CC toplaner they can find after you've locked in Eve. She can still do well, but I find it's become much more situational in season 6 than in previous seasons.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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it still feels

"Hurt Feelings" is not an argument.

I disagree about her not being underpowered

Didn't I present links where I am performing exceedingly well at Plat level with her?

Evelynn doesn't need a buff, the rest of your comment is dismissed on the grounds of that.

NostolgicSkies1 votes

Evelyn will always be in a bad spot, her kit is one riot has been fighting with since beta. one buff breaks her and se becomes opressive and one nerf screws her and she falls dramaticly. from beta-till stealth rework she was an asn, After stealth rework she was a bruiser with mage stats. Its sad really since i have always loved evelyn. however i dont think "Ravage" is the problem. I would be happier with her old stealth back or a better form of gap closer then she has now. The movespeed engage and reset is nice but what if instead "ravage" Leaped to its target and lowered its CD on kill an assist much like "shunpo" freeing her W spot for something more unique and identity defining.

The Deckowner1 votes

also consider udyr and hecarim abusing runic echo causing it to get nerfed. Also red trinket change is very unfriendly to stealth mechanics(altho champions with traps like teemo and shaco are hurt more), and pink wards are much cheaper.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XbtP3hdE,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-05-29T05:06:36.489+0000)

also consider udyr and hecarim abusing runic echo causing it to get nerfed. Also red trinket change is very unfriendly to stealth mechanics(altho champions with traps like teemo and shaco are hurt more), and pink wards are much cheaper.

Runic Echoes was always bad for Evelynn.

Runeglaive was way better... nerfing Echoes hurt her, but not as much as removing Runeglaive did.

The Deckowner1 votes

blame Ezreal

LadyRenly1 votes

gut her passive and maybeg people won't mind so much. As long as she has it she can stay in the gutter where she belongs.

BastionKross1 votes

Her passive will always hold back the rest of her kit. As long as she can easily circumvent wards to gank at her own leisure, Eve will never be allowed to be strong for long. Making pink wards visible was a huge buff to Eve, as she simply kills them and comes back later.

Permastealth is very, very, very strong; so the rest of her kit has to be weak and lackluster to compensate. Honestly, the only way I can foresee real buffs to Eve is with a kit rework that makes her stealth more conditional like Teemo or Twitch.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Permastealth is very, very, very strong

There is so much wrong with what you just said that I will break it down

  • Evelynn does not have perma-stealth
  • Evelynn does not even have true stealth
  • Evelynn's Shadow Walk is a stealth ward bypass
  • Evelynn's Shadow Walk has the longest fade time of any invisibility in the game by a significant margin
  • Evelynn's base stats are incredibly crippled to make for this

Are you with me so far? Good.... NONE OF WHAT I SAID RELATES TO THIS. I didn't ask for a buff, I asked for a rework of Ravage. It's not complicated.

makes her stealth more conditional

Her stealth is already the most conditional 'stealth' in the game.

Please stop making such [Word] statements.

Primaquarius1 votes

If you dig through my old posts, theres a Rework idea for Evelynn that somehow got no views

JohnFox1911 votes

Sorry for a little bumping :) I agree that Eve is going through a "rough" time, but when i see other people itemization and general strategy I understand why the winrate keeps going down...I found tank and AD to be awful... who plays eve like that deserves the current situation. Yes, Riot could make a more usefull E but i dont think it is a complete shity point n click spell since the attack speed and dmg is quite usefull if used well. I play Eve as a strategic full AP guerrila assassin and i feel I NEVER do bad when i play her like that. Get rylais and kite tanks and smash squishies with R E QQQQQQQQ combo. Like, if they ALL buy pinks(NEVER saw it happen), there are always blind spots and jusr ask team mates to check bushes and remove them... Evelynn is a true test to your patience, strategy and above all, your INTELIGENCE and is the only champion I trully liked the playstyle, and had like an S- or above per 2 games or less... Just give Eve some love Thank you if you read my whole post :P

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