the fact that veigar isn't even considered in pro play for
counter tf ahri or viktor or the old ap ez makes me really sad
counter tf ahri or viktor or the old ap ez makes me really sad
A lot of champs are never considered for pro play. That doesnt mean they are not viable.
They made his kit unreliable, thats all. Not even pre his " compensation buffs" he was often seen in pro play. But they destroyed the synergy of his e and his w and that nerfs 2 spells AT ONCE in his kit while his itemization got worse. Riot did a horrible job with veigar.
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They made his kit unreliable, thats all. Not even pre his " compensation buffs" he was often seen in pro play. But they destroyed the synergy of his e and his w and that nerfs 2 spells AT ONCE in his kit while his itemization got worse. Riot did a horrible job with veigar.
So did you really thing his E was healthy?
So did you really thing his E was healthy?
It had a obvious cast range and could be outplayed by several options. It is good against the mobility creep because hard cc like that is rare and his new e is a joke for champions like kalista and co. Also the balance of his entire kit got destroyed by giving him the delay because the w is nearly impossible to hit without using e. So you need to hit an unreliable spell to hit another unreliable spell, thats bad. Champions mobility is a problem ourdays, all immobile champions need to get reworked and get several mobility boosts to even compete with this champs ourday. Its the wrong way to go and delete all this instant hard cc spells for this reason. We actually need MORE options like that. His old e was healthier for the game then the current one. The thing people here dont seem to understand is that its NOT necessarily bad if a champion has this sort of skill if his power is equal to other champions.You just need to shift the power till its fine in his kit, and it WAS fine. He had something he was good at, keeping this hopping squishy champions in place. ( and I say that as fucking riven main bro) Ourdays he does nothing other champions couldnt do 20x better because his kit simply doesnt work anymore. "its unfun to get 100-0 from him " Its always unfun to die, its also unfun to get kited from kalista into oblivion with every melee in this game without a chance of reacting. its stupid to take this as argument when we obviously have a BIG problem with mobility in this game. Or to get azir walled and jump 5 x back from it instead of 1 x because its coded horribly and he aces your team because of that. Old veigar wasnt horrible, he had a danger zone and he punished people for mindlessly going into that zone. He is immobile and he needs that to make him viable, he also is extremly easy to dive even with his old e. He punished bad positioning, kinda like one of these "juggernauts" just as a mage. Veigars rework was a complete fail and disaster gameplaywise for this reasons.
Because aside from his ultimate, he's a caster minion with abilities the enemy has to run (or stand still for a month) into. His only favorable lane opponents are other Veigars and heimers, everyone else bullies him so hard he either feeds, or lets the enemy roam to try and get some Q farm and gold. Veigar's win rates are surprisingly high considering the enemy has to misplay on nearly every level to fall prey to him.
You're not the only one. But Riot, unfortunately, are not among the really sad. "Oh, the Veigar rework sucked, no-one likes it, and he's worse off than ever? Meh, we never cared about him anyway. Let's buff Lee Sin again!"
Saw them say he was considered for buffs in 5.18, but for some reason in regards to Veigar, "buffs" don't seem to comfort me any. We all know what Riot considered a buff back in 5.4.
Meddler announced he might be getting buffs in 5.18! :)
How does he counter those? Ahri has enough mobility to dodge every single one of Veigar's skillshot, Viktor's close range burst is comparable to Veigar's while having shorter CD's, better waveclear, more reliability and an easier laning. AP ez had more mobility, more range, his poke was more reliable, while still retaining huge burst, comparable to Veigar's.
Tbh the fact Veigar's E isn't reliable does make him the counter of nobody, because he can not exploit his opponent. The closest to counter would be a farm matchup (
, farm those turrets :P )
We can just hope for the best, as Meddler announced that Veigar might get some buffs in 5.18. Maybe those changes will help our tiny master of evil.
They changed his playstyle from lane bully and roamer to farm for 1000 years or else.
pretty bs if you ask me
Veigar wasn't considered for pro play even before his rework. The only times you really saw him was for his stun.
Meanwhile Brand?