"we are buffing veigar"

Is this a short joke?!?

"considering the large portion of our community which was dissatisfied with our big changes, we have decided to give it another shot. We hope the coming changes will heighten the player experience and enlarge his skill cap. However, in the end, it's still quite a tall order."

• Rito, 2015

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"veigar buffs" = changes which will address none of his mechanical failures as a champion, but will inflate his height on the winrate ladder and will give the community a taller stature on our thoughtfulness to the community!

They obviously had to remove his instant stun for healthy gameplay, it was a ridiculous move on a tiny cooldown, and made him cancerous. Veigar is an extremely hard champ to balance with the current kit and let me explain why i think a tiny rework would be best for him.

I did not agree with the q changes. I thought that his q reliability was good, and skill shot q Veigar is rather stupid. The problem with his stacking based on this though, is that it IS NOT a stack exactly, it's just pure bonus AP, so if veigar gets a "stack", it scales 3 moves. I propose moving his stack power to ONLY his q, and giving it back it's targeted mechanic. It just gives too much power for a champ with a 60% AP, and (2) 100% AP scalings.

Dark Matter is perfectly fine the way it is, if not a rather long delay. I'd be happy changing it to 1 second delay and seeing how that worked out.

Veigar's stun was, to put it bluntly, cancer. With 20% cdr he has an aoe stun that completely fucks up a fight area and prevents anything but blinks, stunning for 2 seconds if you hit its edeges. They moved his pick power into teamfight power with this delay on stun change. (he can still pick with it though, just not instantly and cancerously) Instead of building pure ap, one might want to buy cdr and spam stuns in fights. Problem with it now is that it's still cancer, still fucks up a fight without much counterplay other than "Wait 3 seconds" and can ruin a whole teamfight with a basic spell that has a 10 second cd later on in the game. Fixing it would mean keeping the .5 second delay (Which really isn't much, stop bitching about it) and lowering stun length to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds. Also lower the cage duration to 2.5 seconds. Simply lasts too long.

His ult is the real problem here though. Veigar ult has 650 Range, 250 / 375 / 500 (+ 100% AP) (+ 80% of target's AP) damage, and absolutely zero real counterplay for ANY mid that doesn't want to build an ARMOR ITEM (Zhonyas) against a full ap opponent. Remove the enemy AP scaling, that mechanic is ridiculous and nothing should discourage an enemy from building their main source of damage, that's a toxic factor to a champion. If i wanted to play an anti-mage, i'd pick kassadin. Change to 80% of veigars AP for the scaling as well. Too often i see veigar 1 shotting front liners.

I say this as a person who plays many mids at plat level, and veigar a lot at gold level, so please tell me if i'm talking out my ass or you have better ideas on balancing veigar. Or maybe someone agrees with me?

-"Is that a short joke?!"

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Next Patch Notes

Veigar

Passive- We toned down his mana regen because being able to actually use his abilities in lane was interfering with his true purpose of being AP nasus

Q- Q now only hits a second target if it kills the first target but we changed the ratio so he he can't abuse minions into champions anymore.

AP Ratio on First Target .6-.65 AP Ratio on second target .6-.4

W- We want veigar to be more effective in team fights then just being the standard unleash combo hope not to die mage so his W now speeds up allies and slows enemies who are inside the zone after it lands. This could get a little out of hand so we changed it a little bit to compensate.

AP Ratio 1.0-.7 Delay- 1.2-1.6

E- With Veigar's new found slow we dont want his CC and team fighting to be too out of control so we compensated All abilities that allow you to travel over walls can now travel through veigar's stun (IE Dashes, blinks, etc.)

R- We removed the enemy AP scaling because we thing it is counter productive to have a champion rely on another champion so much. So we gave him some love with a higher scaling ratio but with a higher cooldown and lower base damage.

Cooldown 120/100/80- 160/120/80 AP Ratio 1.0-1.5 Base Damage- 250/275/500- 150/225/300 Enemy AP removed

There ya go guys this is some crap riot would do and call it a day.

would not fucking doubt

Except he kind of was. His original passive even had him stealing AP. It even says that's what he's meant to do in his release patch notes.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1532 "Veigar is a powerful sorcerer who specializes in fighting other mages and gaining massive amounts of Ability Power."

Anti-mage was his purpose in the very beginning. His passive wasn't changed to what it is now for almost a year after his release, and even then the rest of his kit still points to anti-mage, mainly his Event Horizon and Primordial Burst. Event Horizon is perfect for trapping immobile opponents and his ult is obviously meant to anihilate AP users. In fact, that's probably the only thing that makes him useful right now, one-shotting AP carries.

He is and always will be the anti-mage mage. If riot ever takes that away from him then people should stop playing him altogether as he will no longer be viegar

He was never meant to be a anti mage

Either it is heavy sarcasm.

Or you, sir, are first human being to score negative IQ.

Picks AD Mid

Automatically makes veigar useless the rest of the game

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Veigar is actually a pretty strong mage atm. I'm afraid that buffing him will put him over the top.

Yeah, inb4 plat and below scrubs downvote because they don't know how to play veigar and haven't seen anyone that does.

i watch every single veigar game i see on the spectator matches whenever i see one. at no point in time do i ever see a snowball, at best hes maybe 2 kills ahead more than deaths. usually hes behind, and most often i see them completely blow it and they feed and they're all around behind. these are diamond players, and i see countless games where veigar is sub everyone else and NEVER have i seen a veigar be instrumental in a teams success, veigar can always be replaced by someone else for whatever it is you want him for.

a good veigar might get all the farm and never die in lane, but it takes a team to make the champion work at all. simply because he cant get solo kills, he cant roam effectively because he cant push a wave with Q and meteor quickly enough, he still needs to auto a bunch and has to be back for the next wave, which is difficult for him thanks to his zero mobility, and its extremely difficult for him to dish out poke against the enemy laner because Q gets blocked by creeps.

I want a mana refund on his Q when I kill something so I can as least farm it up with losing all my mana after 4 Q's.

His Q was better as a p&c because fruck mobility. Now the range isnt even that much better as compensation. ''But more AP'' is worthless because it takes a pretty particular situation to farm 2 minions, specially early. His E was several times better before, it was nerfed because anti-mobility.

The problem is that gutting was called ''compensation buffs'' when it should have been called ''gutting the anti-mobility''.