"We have nerfed lucian and kassin cause they don't trade much for their mobility"

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I don't know friend but i personally think is prone to assassinate carries instead of fight people, R nerfs is fair for me as it annoys me everytime he can get in easy, and then get out easy, just like Zed nerfs, think before going a fight, mana cost isn't a big problem as his W can restore mana if you don't spam abilities, Q silence is replaced with a shield so i think some people may take it, for MR you take Abyssal Scepter or Athene's Unholy Grail as grail also helps to regen mana. Sin overall i don't think it's overdone. (just personal idea no h8)

With 6 items. kassadin cannot 100-0 a full health ad carry. ive done the math. and thats a carry without banshees or GA. Im not sure why you think his blink is annoying when 30-40+ champs have some sort of mobility tied ability with some who have greater ones than kassadin.

It seems to me you arent a kass player, nor a main. nor very experienced with him.

Athenes is a death sentence if you want to eventually deal dmg. the ap is low, the mr is low. the cd and regen is nice but he doesnt need it--might aswell get . he needs the mana pool rather with W- proc is also nice but it is high cd and based on missing mana. since its also a dmging ability sometimes you have to make choices in which you shouldnt be making them.

Abyssal is situational. Not a bad one, just rare to get.

Q was intended to be more for laning. since his cd are high, dmg is ok. He usually is outraded anyway. that shield is low base and low ap ratio. And in the laning phase, well ap isnt exactly high to make use of it.

Uh, she loses plenty in exchange for her mobility. The thing people don't seem to understand about Riven is that all of her dashes have other functions, and if she uses them just for the dash, she doesn't get the other value. If she uses Q as a gap closer or escape she doesn't get to use Q for damage, because she needs to Q right on top of you to actually hit you with it. The shield on E has such a short duration that if she wants to actually absorb damage with it she needs to time it, she can't just spam E on cooldown and get much value out of it.

If you have trouble against Riven because of her mobility, try standing far enough away that she can't just E-W you and then combo. Every Q she needs to use to get to her target is damage she doesn't get once she's on top of them. If she can get to you before using Q, then she gets to move and damage you at the same time, and it's hard as hell to get her off of you. Make her waste Q activations on movement and her burst will go way down.

Low hp regen is SUCH a drawback, you wouldn't believe how HARD it is to stay healthy on this dorans blade, just look at my enemy laner, he got one aswell but he is still low health because he can't use it on minions and he does have decent health regen. My. Life. Is. So. Hard.

He pays for his mobility, but so does everyone he lanes against. You've got to micromanage not only your own stuff depending on your champion, but you have to micromanage Yasuo too, like Auto has said. Gotta make sure you know how many Q stacks he has if any at all, his windwall's CD since that thing will cockblock you really hard, the shield because it can stop a lot of all-ins, and of course making sure he has no escape when he tries to minion jump around to hit you.

Kalista's mobility doesn't make her safe, because she only has it in situations where she is NOT safe. The only one Kalista might be "safe" from is Olaf. But he's...Olaf. XD She doesn't have a knock-up ult. She gives her support a knock-up, and the difference is extremely important. And no, Rend doesn't mean she has to use 3/4 of the autoattacks of any other ADC to kill you, because they have steroids, too — bigger ones, that let you kill her long before Rend stacks high enough to kill you, and they do their damage up-front, so you can never just flash away at the last second, because the damage is already done. I can't stress this point enough: every other ADC has MORE damage output than Kalista. More, not less. All of them. Yes, even after Rend — which, by the way, she loses if she ever misses a kill. Sated Devourer might help her catch up, but otherwise...nah. Kalista falls off HARD in the late game. This was true BEFORE they nerfed her autoattack damage scaling, and it's even more true now.

Void Staff only ignores 35% of their MR. The other 65% will still reduce Nidalee's damage by quite a bit. And here's the thing. Void staff does nothing against health, and health itemization out-paces her AP scaling. She can't whittle down that health if she can't hit with her javelins. Even if she throws them from out of sight, she gives away her position, and won't hit more than one. Finally, the obvious AP answer to stacking health, Liandry's Torment, is something Nidalee struggles to use effectively, due to her complete lack of CC. I will say that "useless" was certainly hyperbole, but she is definitely at an extreme disadvantage against anyone who builds, say, Veil or Visage. The only way she can overcome this is to build tank herself, use Rylai's or Iceborn to keep Liandry's burning strong, and hope to out-sustain them. If she does this, she sacrifices damage overall for frontline presence. There are ALWAYS tradeoffs.

Ahri was what?! -checks- Holy wow. That's a thing. Okay. Seems fun. Her scalings are mediocre, so I guess she needs that. Also, repositioning to guide the return shot. Makes sense.

Lee Sin has % MISSING health damage. An execute. Which is...not really damage. But I guess it's something. I'll give you that. Tank Lee Sin is not harmless.

You can't rend for a slow and then rend for damage. You gotta choose one or the other. The knock-up ult requires your partner be able to be thrown as well, plus they gotten shoot at the right angle or a tank could easily face-block it since it doesn't matter where they choose, if they hit a person before they get to the destination, they faceplant into the guy. She's strong and can be safe, but she doesn't do much damage outside of pressing E late game. Early game, you E for a slow and follow up with Q's and AA's, but late game, you're throwing spears non-stop to stack them high enough to do damage. Get any kind of AS slow and your safety and your damage just took a huge loss.

Yes, safety. She is NOT only weak against point and click CC. Her dash has a windup and a fixed distance. When she hops, you know where she's going to land, and you know she's going to stay there for a moment. If she's farming minions and you're 900 units away, sure, she might dodge, but if she's in range to attack YOU, it's actually VERY easy to land a skillshot.

Do you know how many melee champions have both gap closers and stuns? She's not "immune", any more than Vayne or Tristana. But it's her job to kite. If she catches you out of position and you don't have a root or stun, and you can't match her autoattack range, of course she's going to kite you. That's ALL SHE DOES. "Olaf can't catch her! D:" THEN DON'T CHASE HER. Pfft. PFFFT. Come on.

And no, Rend does not actually outclass Smite. Smite is point-and-click instant true damage. Rend requires her to sit there attacking a target uninterrupted for longer than most fights last in order to reach that level of damage. It also contains more than a third of Kalista's damage output, and she loses that damage if she uses it for a slow. Twitch's Contaminate ("Expunge" hasn't been a thing since last season) serves a different purpose. It doesn't remove the stacks, it doesn't stop you from adding more stacks while it's on cooldown, and the stacks deal true damage over time just by being there. Twitch builds crit to complement his attack speed and AD boosts, those things I talked about Kalista not having as the cause for her being unable to keep up in damage with other ADCs.

Don't forget her passive triples when she activates her ult.

I don't play Vayne. As a matter of fact I'm terrible at her. Before you even accuse me of playing anything that would encourage me to side against this, almost all of my most played champions are immobile.

I think I've played Vayne one time in my years of playing League of Legends.

But obviously, everyone who disagrees with you is only doing it from a defensive prospective, right? They can't just see logic and correct those with blind hate of something?