Poor Veigar. Team Builder's just adding insult to injury.

or she pressed ctrl 4 i press b a lot in lane

or she pressed ctrl 4 i press b a lot in lane

If you still died to MF in that situation, then that's your fault, not Veigar's changes. All you had to do was press Q and R... OR just one of those. You said she was low.

W has effectively been rendered useless by the massive nerf to E. Can't possibly land either of them on a competent opponent unless they're already CCed by someone else.

I also tought about that. But you could place it in a middle of a team fight and it would be an 95% won team fight. Of course, it would compensate for his lowered damage on his ult and the fact that you it is very har do land the q on the enemy champion

How about just a blind?

Now THAT would be sufficiently scary, making people try desperately to get out before it went up.

Posts like this make me glad that Riot doesn't listen to the community.

I feel like a silence and a root would be really stupid.

Blind is good. AoE slow is good.

Riot said that they will be making the cage stun enemies who dash out of it.

But a silence? Hell no. A root would cause everything else in his kit to be nerfed, you could aoe 5 man root an entire team for 2.5 seconds. Fuck that,

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Here's how you fix Veigar's stun. silence and blind anyone inside it YOU'RE IN HIS CAGE YOU DON'T FIGHT HIM WHILE YOU'RE IN HIS CAGE, AND YOU DON'T GET TO BLINK OUT OF IT

Silence and blind might be a bit much though when team fighting happens. How about no particles (AA and champs included) can leave the cage once it comes up. That way people inside can still try to fight in their own way. But they're trapped within it, kinda like the 'Event Horizon' of a blackhole

Not gonna get into specifics but here are the primary changes:

His Q is now a skill shot which operates along the same principle of lux's bind. It doesn't bind but it goes through the first target. It also has ~200 range increase. Very large hitbox. Like if two minions were standing right next to each other and he was facing them, it hits them both.

W does slightly more damage, which is irrelevant due to

E now has a .75s warm up particle AFTER a .5s cast time [total time before ability takes effect 1.25s]. This basically makes it impossible for him to get his combo off before dying against any competent opponent. He can't land his W [again, against a competent opponent or without getting lucky].

R has decreased damage

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I never really knew how he was changed. so how exactly? :P I thought it was a basic drop his stats thing.

Yeah, I think part of the reason things aren't as bad yet as they could be is because people aren't fully aware of the changes. In other words, people are still scared of Veigar, because they remember him as that mage who can burst them.

The old stun, if you lined it up right, would instantly stun the target. The new stun has a .75s warning animation that politely advises enemies to step out of the way. Remember that his stun is really just a ring, not a filled circle. All the target has to do is step half a Teemo away in any direction to avoid being stunned.

what the hell can Veigar do at level 2?

He can't even land W because level 1 E doesn't stun long enough

Veigar needs his ult to do that...which comes slightly after level two. Leblanc on the other, can do that at level two.