riot's timing is absolutely awful.

The Bard Dog·Jun 13, 2015·5 votes·720 views

why not wait to buff elise until after we see how she does when the new mage jungle item comes out? i see her becoming an absolute terror again if her changes roll out along with the new jungle item.

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ElJanitorFrankJun 13, 20153 votes

The jungle item isn't very good. It's mostly focused on mana sustain, and is weaker all around then the other item regarding it's other stats.

The Bard DogJun 13, 20151 votes

implying mana sustain wasn't the ONE thing gimping mage junglers. as soon as mana sustain comes in the stats are negligible.

ElJanitorFrankJun 14, 20151 votes

Poor itemization is what was gimping mage junglers. They need items to be effective in most cases, and they simply have a lower income than AP laners.

KingsgraveJun 13, 20151 votes

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The jungle item isn't very good. It's mostly focused on mana sustain, and is weaker all around then the other item regarding it's other stats.

People called Cinderhulk bad before it came out

Give it time

AbyssphereJun 13, 20151 votes

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People called Cinderhulk bad before it came out

Give it time

A couple of people did. Most people saw it as a godsend from the second it was revealed. The majority of people liked Cinderhulk but I'd say not that many like Runeglaive.

ElJanitorFrankJun 14, 20151 votes

Cinderhulk was a direct buff to tank junglers. It helped them early in the game and scaled later into it.

This new spellglaive or whatever it's called is essentially a nerfed magus enchantment with more mana sustain, meaning that AP junglers early game are going to be greatly improved (IF they were mana hungry champions) and their late game will suffer for it.

lxlLilybellelxlJun 13, 20151 votes

She's doing decent right now on PBE not over powered but definitely getting some help in that jungle.

TerchioJun 13, 20151 votes

It is bad timing, but I doubt it'll be that strong. If she rises up, others are going to rise up faster, like Diana, Sej (if that's possible), and Evelynn, maybe even a few AP Skarners. Elise has a long way to go before she starts to make it up that high. Not like this is a total rework or a complete gutting like Warwick got.

AnonagonJun 13, 20151 votes

Her changes aren't even that significant of buffs and the AP jungle item change is just a nerf to her already lackluster lategame

excodarJun 13, 20151 votes

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why not wait to buff elise until after we see how she does when the new mage jungle item comes out? i see her becoming an absolute terror again if her changes roll out along with the new jungle item.

Don't worry, her kit is so underwhelming right now that she will be complete garbage until they buff her cocoon back to 1.5 at all ranks, make the width bigger, and give her back her rappel range.

AbyssphereJun 13, 20151 votes

What about Runeglaive seems scarier to you than Magus in relation to Elise? She's probably the only AP jungler in the game who has good mana in the jungle - she can give away the second blue if she sees fit and as the game scales she can use spider form more and more to do just about everything bar fighting. She never builds Lich Bane because... the synergy just isn't really there and the higher AP on Magus scales her damage and sustain (the things that just got buffed) better than Runeglaive ever could.

Elise There's nothing to fear. Is there any reason you think RuneglaivexElise is going to be particularly powerful? Cos I'd love to discuss what she'll be like in the next patch, but I genuinely feel Runeglaive will be if anything, a nerf to her AP builds. But given she builds Cinderhulk at the moment I can't say I expect her to be rushing Runeglaive come the next patch anyway.

p.s It's not that surprising that Riot would buff an AP jungler at the same time that they introduce a new AP jungle item. When Cinderhulk came out they gave buffs to almost every tank jungler in the game and none of the tanks they buffed caused any problems (except Gragas maybe, can't remember if he was in that big batch of buffs).