So finally, they recognize that something is wrong with 73 % banrate (Brazil), 66.5% banrate (Korea), 63% banrate (EUW), 63% banrate (EUNE).
My 2 cents: Personally - I hope they start by giving him meaningful energy cost to stop the infinite Q spam (55E @6s CD with 10E-reg/seconds - really? And even his ultimate is FREE). And exclude item actives from getting amplified by his ultimate.
Kuroi865 votesI hope they start by giving him meaningful energy cost to stop the infinite Q spam
Have you played Zed? You do realize that if you're spamming Q, it means you're hitting something and regaining energy. You're basically saying Zed shouldn't be rewarded for being good.
And even his ultimate is FREE
As is the ult for every energy user in the game. Shen, Zed, Akali, Kennen, Lee Sin.
And exclude item actives from getting amplified by his ultimate.
This I would be interested to see tested. I don't think it would remove Bork from his core items, but it could make you slightly less reliant on it.
Kowe The Ewok1 votesThe extra energy generation is just another extra to make him near ressourceless. Hilarious, considering his initial energy regeneration already is insane.
As is the ult for every energy user in the game. Shen, Zed, Akali, Kennen, Lee Sin.
Does that suddenly change the fact that it is free? Not to mention other energy users have actually meaningful costs (Kennen / Shen at least)
Kuroi861 votesHis energy return is the same as every other energy champ.
Drop a W,E,Q from Zed, you'll notice his costs are meaningful.
Zed regains energy from hitting the shadow version of his Q and E, that is it. Both are highly telegraphed and can be dodged. The Q is not easily dodged, but it can be done.
Imo what needs some looking at is his safety. Maybe lower the timing on his death mark from three seconds to two, force Zed players to get better at their combos to maximize damage or else risk it pop early and you lose out on a kill. Another thing would be reducing the duration of his shadows and how long you have to jump between them.
Kowe The Ewok1 votesDerp. That's like saying Anivia and Annie have the same mana regeneration. It shows utter disregard of his abilities individual cost..
Kuroi862 votesNo, it's saying that all energy champs have 200 energy and have a base energy regen of 50 per five.
To restore energy on Zed, you have to hit the enemy with multiple abilities. Hit both Shuriken in one cast, hit both shadow slash, or hit a mimicked Shuriken and Shadow Slash. Q: 75 / 70 / 65 / 60 / 55 W: 40 / 35 / 30 / 25 / 20 E: 50
Huh, that's funny, lvl 3 you can blow your entire energy bar, resourceless, sure.
Now lets look at his return when he hits a target. 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40
Yeah, he's soooo resourceless.
Kowe The Ewok1 votesSince you'll be level 3 or beneath for most of the game amrite?
Are you seriously complainign that you can only spamm Q on cooldown and regnerate energy in the meantime?
And now you even dare to complain that IF you spamm several abilities you actually have the chance to get a prt of THEIR energy refunded as well?
Are you really complaining that you can only spamm 1 out of 3 abilities WITHOUT A BREAK???
Seriously, you should write to Riot and ask them to make his kit ressourceless. He can't get much clsoer to it anyways.
Kuroi861 votesI'm not saying his kit is resourceless nor should it be, you're the one that said it practically is.
What I'm saying is that a good Zed doesn't worry about energy because he's already managing it properly along with cooldowns. A bad Zed runs out of resource faster than Kassadin spamming his ult with no mana items.
I do think Zed needs some looking at. But I don't think it's his costs that need it, but his shadows and his ult.
SexyTaylorSwift3 votesI don't think his energy is that bad. What I suggest for him and all other assassins, is make them less safe. Zed can get in, do crazy damage, and always has an escape if not. It's silly.
Fadedpf4 votesBut he is also a oppressive lane bully, once he gets level 3 he can possibly get a kill. He doesnt need mana and can escape 90% of ganks with his shadow/flash up. His safeness on top of, damage, on top of free casting, makes him such a problem that no one wants to deal with
SexyTaylorSwift2 votesWhich is why I say make him less safe lol. I can deal with a strong offensive champ in lane. Having a strong offense and defense is just...dumb. I don't think you nerf his offense since he is an assassain, but assassins shouldn't be OP at defense too.
Leblancs Boob3 votesI hope to see some Zed nerfs very soon
Azteryz2 votesIf you havent noticed but all champions who use energy have their ults cost no energy...
SmokinSickStyle1 votesThe cycle of assassin nerfs will continue, soon ADC and Mages overlords are gonna be good at any stage of the game.
What they just need to do is to put the 1st dragon buff as 3rd at least, so already snowballing champs don't get even snowballier because of first dragon that can easily be picked up early.
Nerfed Zed, people are gonna rediscover Talon and he'll get nerfed once more along with possibly "Better nerf Kha'Zix™" or even Talon.
Meanwhile Fizz being the only uncounterable Assassin that for some reason is also AP sitting on his trollpole avoiding nerfs since release.
No, lovetaps do not count.
Imho the problem is the new jungle (Both because of less pressure since it takes ages to go on a full jungle route and new dragon) + people not wanting to go mid with unconventional picks and build paths.
Terff1 votesPlay kayle, or morde if you're having trouble with fizz. But I admit he's still OP
Epilogue of Life1 votesLol Talon will not be rediscovered, he serves no purpose without his silence. There is no longer anything special about him--if you want stealth, play Kha'zix and evolve R. If you want to duel people/win lane, pick Zed. If you want to scale, pick Yasuo. If you want to stick to your target, play Akali. If you want cleanups, play Katarina. If you want fast burst, go AD Rengar. Talon will forever be in the shadows of other assassins without his silence; his low counterplay, which he pays for by being THE ONLY assassin that has no second jump beside that E, AND no reset, defined him more than anything. Talon is done for, please leave him alone.
Kowe The Ewok1 votesIf you want AoE burst in addition to your single target burst: Pick Talon
Epilogue of Life1 votesKatarina also has that, in addition to resets. Fizz's ult is pretty nice AOE too. Also, Ahri's Q is AOE true damage on its return.
stealthfox941 votesWhy the negative tone.
Epilogue of Life1 votesZed QQ is mainly from people who can't build to counter him and/or people who can't dodge skillshots...
Vertanium1 votesIMO Zed as a Champion is pretty balanced (sure maybe increase the cooldown on his Q but that's about it really.) The problem is what he is building ghost blade IE BotRK is OP on any champion who builds blade. I'd say increase the cost on ghostblade. Clearly you are one of the people who just let him walk up farm, harass you and you don't poke him down or rush hourglass. if you want to complain about costs look at Kat she is manaless and literally spams to at least get a triple every game.
Tldr Zed isnt a massive god tier champion. He just has the luxury of being able to build ghostblade BotRK. Nobody buys energy runes, and Kat can spam far harder and deals more damage with less damage built.