An 0-7 Katarina bursted me for 1900 damage with just a gunblade...

Aimléss·Mar 30, 2017·24 votes·2,138 views

Wtf Riot? Most assassins can't do their job if they're feeding their ass off. How come an 0-7 katarina can still dish out nearly 2000 damage with one item?

Edit: Here's the problem, if an adc is 0-7 they can't do their job because they don't do any damage. If a tank is 0-7, he can't do his job either because he can't tank anything. Then there's katarina, and for some reason even when she is having a terrible game, that would pretty much leave 99% of the other champions in the game useless, she can still do her job because she is already so good at her job (assassination) that she barely needs any items to do it.

81 Comments

Lil Lewd WitchMar 30, 201713 votes

Jinx item 3006 item 3031 item 3086 item 3035 item 3085

At nearly the end of the game, yeah. Kats nearly maxed out abilities. If she hits you with everything, that sounds about right since you had absolutely nothing to mitigate the damage.

AimléssMar 30, 20178 votes

I play Ekko, if I have one ap item I'm not one shotting fucking anyone. And even if I was I sure as hell won't be dishing out 1900 damage. I had about 1200 hp, she did 1900!!!!!???? Even if I had MR, I still would've died, bruh. MR is not gonna take away 700 damage unless I build a full freakin' banshees. Why do I need a full banshees to counter an 0-7 katarina with 1 damage item???????

MissingKayoMar 30, 20177 votes

It's almost like Ekko has more CC than multiple champions combined do, which means he loses damage in return.

idontgiveabotherMar 30, 20172 votes

He has a pretty mediocre slow and a really hard and unreliable skill shot. If you're a competent player you can easily predict an ekko w. Or if you're unfortunate enough to be stuck without any mobility, but thats kind of the point of assassins with mobility.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20174 votes

'pretty mediocre slow' 'hard and unreliable skillshot'

I think we're playing different games.

idontgiveabotherMar 30, 20172 votes

His w is the most telegraphed skill shot I've seen unless you're out of vision. It makes a sound, has a channel time, appears half a second before it even lets you stun, and it has a casting animation. If you're a smart enough player and he ducks out of vision, there's a good chance the ekko will try and land one. His q slow is 32 / 39 / 46 / 53 / 60%, compared to a lot of slows it's not much. It only slows if you're standing on the q when its all the way out I believe. It also has a weird hitbox so its not very hard to step out of.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20171 votes

I wasn't talking about his W. I meant his Q, where he just goes point-blank after an E and hits it into your face. The slow is there on both motions of the Q. His passive also giving him an MS boost is the same thing as a relative slow when in a 1v1.

I'm not saying he's OP or anything in the slightest.

idontgiveabotherMar 30, 20171 votes

Assuming the ekko is stupidly fed and instagibs you could flash out of the q but his e does have a relatively short cd. He has more mobility than cc. From my experience the way the skill shot travels its not exactly easy to use for a gap closer unless your trying to trade in lane.

MelledoneusMar 31, 20171 votes

LeeSin lol

BorblandMar 30, 20172 votes

We're talking about assassins. Not about champions that can comeback in the game because they have 400 farm at the end despite being 0/10 early game.

ClementineMar 30, 201713 votes

D O D G E D A G G E R S

HethaleanMar 30, 201710 votes

That is clearly not an option to the OP. Nor is getting out of her ult.

Lil Lewd WitchMar 30, 20177 votes

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That is clearly not an option to the OP. Nor is getting out of her ult.

OP is just downvoting everyone who explains exactly what happened. They only want sympathy points rather than discussion, apparently.

ADC Mains in 2017 lul

MissingKayoMar 30, 20177 votes

WAAAH ADC 2K17 IM BEATING THIS DEAD MEME THAT'S STUPID AS SHIT AND INVALID ANYWAYS

PennsMar 30, 20174 votes

Seems like a good time to post https://puu.sh/v0Wsi/65ac434682.webm again xd

AimléssMar 30, 20176 votes

Lmao that video says it all. And idc if they dodged daggers or not, why must we have to outplay an 0-7 katarina? Maybe we can't just face tank everything, but I shouldn't have to outplay an 0-7 Kat to beat her. It's just BS.

zaire90Mar 30, 20171 votes

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Lmao that video says it all. And idc if they dodged daggers or not, why must we have to outplay an 0-7 katarina? Maybe we can't just face tank everything, but I shouldn't have to outplay an 0-7 Kat to beat her. It's just BS.

She has too outplay everyone once the game starts due to how all of her damage can be dodged just walk forward when she throws q and walk to the side of she starts with an ew combo. Also your're an adc you shouldnt be alone anyway.

RexSaurMar 30, 20172 votes

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Seems like a good time to post https://puu.sh/v0Wsi/65ac434682.webm again xd

facerolled

sobi999Mar 30, 201713 votes

30 MR is not 0 and he stated she had "1 item" so probably was before mid game like lvl 10 maybe? Don't think any assassin 0/7 should be able to burst you down with 2k damage.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20175 votes

#TL;DR - Literally impossible unless the Jinx was braindead and stood still for minimum 4-5 seconds, potentially more.

7.83 Magic Pen from Runes + 4 Magic Pen from Masteries = 11.83 Magic Pen 4.95 AP from Quints x 3=14.85 + 9.7 AP from Masteries = 24.55 AP 6.4 bonus AD from Masteries

40AD, 80AP from Gunblade, the active deals 211+30% AP which is 242.365

24.55+80=104.55 Bonus AP (and Total, since she has no flat AP) 6.4 Bonus AD

155 + 100% Bonus AD + 70%AP = Each dagger deals 155 + 6.4 + 73.185 = 234.585

TLD = 100 + 30% bonus AD + 10% AP = 100 + 13.92 + 10.455 = 112.375 damage.

Her full combo without ultimate: E to target, W for dagger prep, Q enemy, E to W dropped dagger, proc passive, E to Q dropped dagger, proc passive.

Q rank 5, W rank 1, E rank 3, R rank 1 (by level 10). Q is 195+30% AP=226.365 E is 60+25% AP+50% AD=60+26.1375+(50% of 6.4 bonus + 83.1 flat AD at level 10 + 40 AD from Gunblade)=150.8875

Thus the combo deals 150.8875+226.365+150.8875+234.585+150.8875+234.585 from the combo alone, which adds to 1148.1975. With TLD, it goes to 1272.5725. With Gunblade on top of that, it goes to 1514.9375.

11.83 Magic Pen versus 30 Magic Resist on level 10 Jinx = 18.17 effective magic resist, which is a 0.84623847 multiplier. Katarina thus deals 1281.99839 damage. For it to deal 2000 like the OP said, she must deal another 848.462503 RAW damage for the magic resist to lower it to the necessary 718.00161 to reach 2000 damage dealt.

Katarina's ultimate deals 25+19%AP+22%BAD per dagger, with daggers being thrown every 0.166 seconds (15 daggers total). 25+19.8645+10.208=55.0725 per dagger. 848.462503÷55.0725=15.4062827 daggers. AKA, more daggers than entire 2.5s of channeling. Requires an additional autoattack minimum.

Her ultimate alone takes a solid 2.5s of not doing anything except channeling. The rest of her kit as well as the delay with the drop time for a dagger to fall down to the ground means it would've taken somewhere between 4-5 seconds or more.

YoungSirJ0eyMar 30, 20171 votes

Jinx had a bit less effective MR than you said, because Kat also had sorcs at the time, and Kat had a bit more AP than you said, because she ran 6 flat AP and 3 scaling AP glyphs. Point still stands.

AimléssMar 31, 20171 votes

I never said 2000, I said 1900 something.
She was level 12 not 10.
What YoungSirJoey said.

BlastRushMar 30, 20179 votes

Because you must have gotten hit by everything with 0 mr

AimléssMar 30, 20176 votes

Because some MR would've stopped her from over killing me by 700? I only had 1200 hp, she did 1900!!!

MissingKayoMar 30, 20172 votes

You realize 1200 means something sneezing on you could kill you?

AimléssMar 30, 20177 votes

You do realize that nearly 2000 damage is way too high for a champion with only one damage item. What part of this don't you understand? Since apparently you're great at realizing shit.

YoungSirJ0eyMar 30, 20171 votes

2000 damage over 3 seconds. 600 per second. You would've dealt 4/3s that.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20176 votes

It's almost like kills don't matter if they get the gold anyways, whether it's through CSing or just passive gold gain. Kills just means you get items faster. If they still got their items anyways and you don't have any sort of resists, ESPECIALLY in lategame, you deserved to die.

AimléssMar 30, 20177 votes

Why are we arguing about gold? I said she had one damage item, it doesn't matter how much gold she has since we know how much damage she had bought at the time. She had 1 gunblade, gold doesn't mean a thing. So until you can justify 2000 damage with one gunblade, don't bother responding.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20171 votes

You're a carry. You have no meaningful MR at all. She's an assassin. You ate more or less her entire combo. Katarina is high level, meaning her skills are mostly maxed out.

Stop complaining and learn to play the game. Don't bother responding until you actually know what you're talking about instead of just crying.

AimléssMar 30, 20175 votes

You still haven't explained to me how 2000 damage with one damage item is acceptable.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20172 votes

Because you're completely fucking ignoring anything I say? Not sure what else you want me to tell you.

AimléssMar 30, 20175 votes

And yet you still haven't explained it to me. You've had 3 chances now I'm done with you. You've got nothing to contribute to this conversation.

MissingKayoMar 30, 20173 votes

lmao. Reading's hard if your eyes are full of tears. Try finishing bawling and then reading next time.

It doesn't fucking matter if she has one damage item. Her skills are almost all maxed out due to her being high level, meaning they're near the maximum damage capability. You are a carry and you have no resistances to her damage type. She is an assassin specifically designed to kill you. You eat her entire combo. Of course you would die.

AimléssMar 30, 20173 votes

Have you ever thought to think that maybe those really high base damage numbers she gains from leveling skills is the problem?

FooDangMar 30, 20171 votes

She cant do damage if she gets knocked out of her channeled ult.

HethaleanMar 30, 20175 votes

Katarina is exceptional at punishing poor positioning.

So ignoring MR (basically she's doing true dmg to you), her full rotation which includes her full ultimate duration and you standing on two Daggers for her to pick up is roughly 2k damage.

This includes standing in her ultimate for the full 2.5 seconds, and her activating Gunblade on you. This seems a might risky for a squishy ADC with no resistances or durability to do.

EDIT: Once it takes her 3 seconds to kill you, I'm not sure if that is 'being bursted'. I'm not saying that Katarina isn't strong, just that maybe there are some other things going on. You're also the target that her kit is made to kill (and by her I mean assassin).

AimléssMar 30, 20172 votes

I did not stand in her ultimate for 2.5 seconds, I was dead before 2.5 seconds lol. I'm pretty sure if I sat under her and took every last drop of damage she could dish out she'd have done 2500. Lol. Everyone says the game is doing too much damage, and I point out an obvious example of that and I still get people trying to justify it? Like c'mon.

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 30, 20174 votes

^ i have noticed this as well. I'm not a fan.

l Helios lMar 30, 20174 votes

Give me a source or replay and I'll be glad to explain how it happened.

FooDangMar 30, 20172 votes

He wont because he was probably overextended or out of position.

l Helios lMar 31, 20171 votes

I was mostly being rhetorical; I didn't expect a reply due to your reasoning. But it still stands. Call me a sucker for wanting to help people :)

FowusMar 30, 20173 votes

omg i got killed as an adc with 0 mr against an assassin

AimléssMar 30, 20176 votes

You people don't seem to understand that she dished out nearly 2k damage. And over killed me by 700, MR would not have saved me.

DrCyanideMar 30, 20172 votes

A little MR goes a long way.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_resistance

Kat probably had item 3020 at the time she killed you, right? That means that ( 100/(100 + 15) ) * Raw Damage = 1,900, so Raw Damage was 2,185

If you'd gotten a item 3155 , that calculation becomes ( 100/(100+50) ) * 2,185 = 1,456 damage, further reduced by the spellshield to between 1,346 and 1,176 depending on your level.

1 item, not even purely defensive, could have saved your life, especially if you had summoner 7 available.

But yes, Katarina is crap to play against, even when you do everything possible to keep her down. That's why she'd on my must ban list right now.

AimléssMar 30, 20176 votes

I did have heal available, and don't use maw as an example because its not just MR it also has a shield. MR alone would not have saved me unless I built a full item.

FooDangMar 30, 20173 votes

She's a burst assassin and you played jinx.

If she jumps on you she will full combo you if your flash is down. You could probaly chompers her ult if your reactive enough.

Blame your Janna for not protecting you or you were just cocky and got caught out. Just because she's 0/7 doesnt mean she cant blow up a squishy that doesnt have defensive items.

137434Mar 30, 20179 votes

I don't believe Jinx's chompers will stop Kat's ult, it is just a root.

Cats Are FoodMar 30, 20173 votes

Welcome to the League Of Burst. She used to be worse, or more capable, thanks to her original W. That said, somehow, AP Burst damage has gotten incredibly intense since I deployed back in 2015. It was one of the first things I noticed when I got back. AP champions did not seem to need nearly as much building up as they used to, simply to make their opponent vanish.

Cosmic WarperMar 30, 20171 votes

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Welcome to the League Of Burst. She used to be worse, or more capable, thanks to her original W. That said, somehow, AP Burst damage has gotten incredibly intense since I deployed back in 2015. It was one of the first things I noticed when I got back. AP champions did not seem to need nearly as much building up as they used to, simply to make their opponent vanish.

No, AP has gone down across the board actually. The only reason burst damage is still high is because of thunderlord's. If tlords didn't exist people wouldn't be complaining.